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I fail to see any political agenda there

This is only because you have not researched this issue. If you have, please tell me what you've done. I'll be more than happy to steer you in the right direction, although I already have on several occasions and I don't believe you've followed up at all.

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scientists all over the world accept it

...and scientists all over the world don't.

We need to be intellectually honest here Linda.

Did you watch the video I provided a link to previously regarding the solar system and creation?

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If there were better empirical evidence to the contrary they would revise their views.

With all due respect...

This is a fantastically naive position.

There is an enormous difference between science and the lies that are being taught in the textbooks and universities. We are experiencing soviet-style indoctrination the world over.

I have honestly and thoroughly done my homework on these issues which is why I am a Christian. If evidence for evolution existed, I would be defending evolution with all the fervor that I currently use to defend the truth.

I'm not defending Christianity purposefully. I'm defending it incidentally—simply because I'm defending the truth.

You are putting blind faith in what people say without checking out the fact. Ironically, in past posts you said that we should always question, but you are not practicing your own philosophy.

Are you saying that there is no empirical evidence that amalgams cause disease?

By your own belief, you must accept this, otherwise the scientists would have changed their positions.

If we remain so incredibly naive about the way the world really works, we're all in a lot of trouble.

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Anecdotal evidence which you accept.

You are marginalizing my research. This is another common debate tactic that is simply untrue in this case.

I believe you should ask yourself this question:

"How am I qualified to judge the integrity of the Bible while knowing nothing about the Bible myself?"

Again, we need to have some intellectual honesty here.

The truth is that you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of doing (speaking about something of which you know nothing). I respectfully challenge anyone who reads this thread to come to a different conclusion.

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if they did we would still be stuck in the dark ages and none of us would be using these computers to communicate with each other.

Again, you are making a vast speculation based on no knowledge of the Bible at all.

The Bible predicts the use of technology to track all purchases on the globe. That is a direct reference to technology.

The Bible also predicts the existence of smart weapons and many other technologies as well.

There are countless examples of the Bible not only predicting the future, but making references to modern technology. About 1/3 of the Bible is prophecy and a considerable amount has already come true.

I challenge you to search through the excellent references on Misslers website:

http://khouse.org/

You are simply unaware of these facts because you know nothing about this Book that everyone should read. It's truly amazing and life changing and because of it, I have offered my personal testimony in part on this forum.

The statement about living in the dark ages is the opposite of true.

You see, the United States grew to be a super power by following the principles laid out in the Bible. These principles hold true throughout time because the nature of mankind does not change.

Some of these principles are:
  • Private land ownership
  • Personal hygiene
  • Work ethics
  • Family ethics and values
  • Civilized conduct
  • Government accountability
  • Personal accountability
  • Personal responsibility
  • Inalienable rights
  • Equality of men under law
  • Judicial processes
  • Personal sacrifice
  • Contributing to the community
  • Many more...


The Bible is the foundation of civilized life.

You are supporting a belief system that is openly rooted in communism. Evolution is a fundamental premise of communism. This is openly stated in their own doctrine and well known.

Communism brings people into subjection to "state" authority which is a breeding ground for corruption and poverty. This is—in fact—the reason for the promotion of this antiquated theory.

Your beliefs about the Bible and the effect Christianity has is perfectly backwards, and this is simply because you're trusting what you've been told about it without doing the research yourself. (Again, don't get your Biblical education from the chronically-lying Discovery Channel, or any companies owned by the same people, and there are many of them.)

Linda, you're believing things that are exactly the opposite of true.

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Is this something you've noticed personally? Can you give examples? The estimates get refined, but they do not get changed by a billion years here or there.

You are complete wrong here (again) and are simply blindly believing what you've been told without questioning it (not doing what you tell others to do).

The estimates of the age of the earth has changed by billions of years on several occasions. Again, you have done no homework on this issue and are simply blindly believing those who are telling you these things.

Here is some information you should review carefully:

Hovind: Lies In The Textbooks

This outstanding video provides specific examples and I encourage everyone to watch it.

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You are presumably aware that he's currently in prison for defrauding the US government of a great deal of money?

Character assassination is often a desperate attempt to discredit an opponent in a debate.

I personally spoke to Hovind's son several weeks ago and the family is suffering at the hand of this illegal ruling. Unfortunately, the United States judiciary has a history of illegal rulings, especially in recent years as the Bible has been forced out of the conscience of more and more Americans and corruption has spread as a result.

- The U.S. government says that amalgams are harmless.

- The U.S. government says that diet has no effect on child behavior.

- The U.S. government said that there was no air contamination around the WTC site after the collapse. (Are you familiar with this issue?)

- The U.S. government says that a single bullet killed J.F.K. (Are you familiar with physical absurdity of the single-bullet theory developed by Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter?)

- The U.S. government says that mercury in vaccines has no effect on humans.

Is this the organization that you're placing so much faith in by blindly believing that this ruling is legally sound?

You will be the first to say that conspiracies existed and horrible rulings were made when Christians controlled civil life but now you put your faith in the current regime and believe they are being honest. This is horribly naive.

Hovind is ahead of his time and I completely support his assertion that the Internal Revenue Service has no law that requires the payment of income tax. I studied the IRS code for years and have yet to find it, and I am not alone.

You may want to watch this video as well...

From Freedom To Fascism

Linda, you have no idea how far down the primrose path you have come.

You see, the Bible predicts that one day, Christians will be lined up and killed as they will be the central victims of this new tyranny. The "new" world view that you have accepted has already conditioned you to accept and endorse this position, and your world view may even call it an act of love, for the good of the community.

Those deceiving you will defame the truth by calling it "hate speech". You will be forced to make a decision, and there is no neutral position.

The truth is, they will be killing the only ones who have the courage to tell the truth when the truth isn't popular or comfortable, and only the truth can provide the road to true freedom.

The following scripture is a prophecy.

"They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."

—John 16:2

There is a lot behind this prophecy and I suggest that you read and become familiar with it lest you become a victim of the very system you now support (which has already happened to a large degree because they—who now control the system—have cheated you out of experiencing an amazing and life-changing relationship with the Creator, which is exactly what they want to accomplish).

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By whom?

I have already provided these answers for you, but just for those reading this thread, here's more...

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.html

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Evolution is not based in science. ...And creationism is? Please explain.

I provided a beautifully illustrated video narrated by a respectable and educated scientist. Did you watch it? It answers your questions for you.

I respectfully ask that you take a look at the evidence. There is much.

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I haven't yet seen any empirical evidence that any of this is the case. Can you provide some examples?

Have you looked? If so, where.

The videos I have provided give you exactly what you have asked for over and over. I don't mind posting them again for the sake of those reading this thread:

Our Solor System

The Bar Code and the Mark of the Beast


"But people who are cowardly, unfaithful, detestable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars will find themselves in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death." "

—Revelation 21:8


Please don't ignore the warning that begs you to know yourself so you may be empowered to become knowledgeable about these things and to gain the courage it takes to know the truth and the courage it takes to be free.

You see, freedom is only for the brave.

You may be able to connect with the movie Bravehart. What was the last word spoken by this courageous character?


"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

—Johann Wolfgang van Goethe


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