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I'll propose a kind of answer to this, and anyone who disagrees is welcome to say so.
Creationists' best arguments for creation are the "apparent design" in the natural world, and the Bible. Most anything else they say seems to attempt to explain why evolution is "wrong.," thus setting up a false dichotomy seeming to say that because one is wrong, the other must necessarily be right.
However, the Bible's testimony is rendered unreliable by independent evidence; and the conjecture of a designer to explain the appearance of design is enormously contradicted by a vast weight of evidence from many different scientific fields. So neither of the creationists' two best pieces of evidence amounts to anything. The appearance of design in nature is better explained by a natural process that results in the appearance of design -- a process we have abundant, independent evidence for.
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Backbone of creationist beliefs?
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Kitsune
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09/09/07 08:16 AM
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Re: Backbone of creationist beliefs?
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Kitsune
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09/16/07 02:10 PM
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Demi
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10/01/07 12:03 AM
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A Slight Non Sequitur
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Pwcca
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10/01/07 08:51 AM
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Christian Oppression?
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Russ
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10/01/07 03:58 PM
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Re: Christian Oppression?
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SoSick
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10/02/07 06:34 AM
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Trading Liberty for Security
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Russ
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Re: Trading Liberty for Security
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Kitsune
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Re: Trading Liberty for Security
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Pwcca
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Pwcca
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Bar Codes and the Mark of the Beast
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Russ
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10/02/07 09:28 PM
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Re: Bar Codes and the Mark of the Beast
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SoSick
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10/03/07 03:19 AM
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Re: A Slight Non Sequitur
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SoSick
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10/02/07 06:16 AM
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Kitsune
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Demi
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Photo of Angel?
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SoSick
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LinearAq
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SoSick
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Kitsune
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03/14/08 06:46 AM
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03/14/08 09:57 AM
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SoSick
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03/14/08 12:37 PM
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When avoiding honest fails....hurl invectives.
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LinearAq
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03/14/08 04:40 PM
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Certainly Uncertain
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LinearAq
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03/14/08 04:53 PM
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Bex
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SoSick
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Re: Certainly
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LinearAq
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03/15/08 01:08 PM
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Re: Certainly Uncertain
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Kitsune
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03/15/08 12:03 PM
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Pwcca
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03/15/08 07:19 AM
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Re: Pwcca...More Character Assassination?
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Laura Clement
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03/15/08 03:26 PM
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Re: Pwcca...More Character Assassination?
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SoSick
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03/15/08 04:40 PM
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Deadly Assassins Targeting Forum Characters
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Bex
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SoSick
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Pwcca
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10/04/07 07:09 AM
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10/04/07 11:12 AM
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SoSick
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10/04/07 05:56 PM
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Kitsune
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10/04/07 07:33 PM
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SoSick
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10/05/07 12:02 AM
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10/05/07 06:29 AM
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10/05/07 04:06 PM
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SoSick
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10/05/07 04:16 PM
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Kitsune
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10/05/07 04:32 PM
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SoSick
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10/05/07 04:54 PM
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Kitsune
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10/05/07 05:37 PM
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SoSick
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10/05/07 05:50 PM
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If You Can't Win A Debate, Then Just Don't Let It End
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Russ
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10/05/07 06:13 PM
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Re: If You Can't Win A Debate, Then Just Don't Let It End
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Kitsune
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10/06/07 09:40 AM
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Science and Politics: A Bad Mix
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Russ
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10/06/07 11:08 PM
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Re: Science and Politics: A Bad Mix
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SoSick
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10/07/07 02:01 AM
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Irreducible Complexity and Other Evolutionary Problems
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Russ
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10/07/07 09:10 AM
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The science of evolution
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Kitsune
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10/08/07 09:41 AM
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Who Do You Believe
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Russ
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10/08/07 07:35 PM
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Re: Who Do You Believe
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SoSick
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10/09/07 06:27 AM
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Pwcca
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Re: Who Do You Believe
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Kitsune
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10/11/07 10:52 AM
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Evolutionary Magic
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Russ
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10/12/07 05:45 PM
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Re: Evolutionary Magic
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Pwcca
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10/13/07 09:41 PM
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Personal Integrity
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Russ
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10/15/07 08:00 AM
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Pwcca
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10/15/07 06:50 AM
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Re: Evolutionary Science
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Kitsune
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10/15/07 03:13 PM
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Re: Evolutionary Science
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Russ
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10/15/07 04:39 PM
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Re: Evolutionary Science
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Kitsune
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10/15/07 05:26 PM
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Kitsune
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10/15/07 06:01 PM
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Russ
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10/15/07 06:05 PM
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Pwcca
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10/15/07 08:38 PM
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How To Win Every Debate You Ever Have In Your Entire Life
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Russ
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10/16/07 04:16 PM
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SoSick
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Kitsune
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Elvis
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SoSick
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10/19/07 04:23 AM
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Kitsune
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10/20/07 05:19 PM
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Re: How To Win Every Debate You Ever Have In Your Entire Life
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SoSick
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10/21/07 02:17 AM
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Re: How To Win Every Debate You Ever Have In Your Entire Life
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Russ
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10/21/07 03:34 AM
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Clarity
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Russ
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10/21/07 03:41 AM
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Re: Clarity
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Kitsune
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10/21/07 07:21 AM
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Elvis
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10/21/07 09:34 AM
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Pwcca
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10/22/07 07:20 AM
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Elvis
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10/22/07 07:40 AM
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Re: How To Win Every Debate You Ever Have In Your Entire Life
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Russ
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10/22/07 11:10 PM
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SoSick
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10/23/07 05:28 AM
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Elvis
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10/23/07 09:32 AM
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The Way The World Really Works
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Russ
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11/07/07 08:54 PM
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Re: Who Do You Believe
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SoSick
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10/11/07 03:49 AM
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Re: Who Do You Believe
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Pwcca
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10/11/07 07:30 AM
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SoSick
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Pwcca
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SoSick
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SoSick
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Pwcca
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10/12/07 06:54 AM
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SoSick
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Kitsune
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10/04/07 11:38 AM
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Demi
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10/04/07 05:30 PM
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Truth, Lies, and Evolution
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Russ
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10/04/07 07:05 PM
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Re: Truth, Lies, and Evolution
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Kitsune
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10/04/07 08:20 PM
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Truth, Lies, and Evolution: Part II
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Russ
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10/05/07 03:06 PM
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Re: Truth, Lies, and Evolution: Part II
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Kitsune
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10/05/07 04:01 PM
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Re: Truth, Lies, and Evolution: Part II
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SoSick
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10/05/07 04:42 PM
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Re: Truth, Lies, and Evolution
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Pwcca
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10/04/07 08:58 PM
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Re: Truth, Lies, and Evolution
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Russ
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10/05/07 03:08 PM
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Re: Backbone of creationist beliefs?
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Demi
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10/17/07 09:59 PM
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Re: Backbone of creationist beliefs?
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Kitsune
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10/20/07 05:18 PM
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CTD
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