I did say, though, that if any of this is true about the Catholic church, it is also true of many other world leaders, including some religious groups. Try to deny that the American religious right don't want the power to be able to set up a theocracy and strip any non-believers of rights, including citizenship.

I think I might duck out of here along with Elvis to be honest. These things may be worth discussing in some context, but maybe not here, and a lot of people are getting ticked off by it.