The bible is correct. They are demons, devils, who knows what but evil for sure. They are spirits traveling between this world and the other. They are not from another planet.

Saw egads of some very strange stuff in the midwest about 10 years ago. Not a good place to go, UFO hunting, though I wasn't, I stumbled into it accidentally, from my perspective anyway. Left quickly enough also. An eye opening experience in regard to the geo-political structure of the afterlife. Very evil. Praise God Jesus was looking out for me, they are afraid of Jesus. They serve Lucifer but they obey Jesus, whether they like it or not I guess..

Anyway, no stories to tell today, sorry, it's a place of insanity to go there, just here to confirm, yes, they are demons and rather crafty at that.

Very cool video, a lot of trouble downloading it though, must be a busy one. thanks for the link.

Well I finally got the video downloaded and watched it last evening... interesting but I really really have a major major disagreement with the martial arts/christian teacher guy who states that he believes 'when Jesus returns, it's be in a spaceship'.

I guess the devil would love for people to believe that though, would make things quite simple considering the rationale of all the other ideas presented in the video.

The bible says Jesus will return in glory, in a cloud. In a cloud it is then for me. Hard to mistake a cloud for a spaceship, doubt anything got lost in translation there. The angels of the Lord God Almighty do not require little crafts to zip around in far as I know.

I really liked the video overall though. some scary stuff there.

I have been thinking about the darn thing all day Russ, and the statment by that martial arts 'christian teacher guy.

Really think about it... all the people who don't know the difference between God Jesus a rock and a monkeys behind, if they watch that video then say next year they see lights in the sky or maybe even a full blown spaceship or something, and they start telling themselves it's Jesus.

Pretty dangerous idea presented there really. Like painting the words sitting duck on your forehead.

I take the bible at its word, as literally as it states. I remember hearing this guy who had studied the bible say that the more literally he began to accept it, the more accurate things became....interesting that. The more he attempted to put his own swing on it, the more confused he got.

There are many things in the bible mysterious to man and perhaps they are meant to remain that way until the time of revealing!

I do not believe whatsoever that Christ will come again in a spaceship! I believe UFOS are possibly demonic anyway. The Devil is very good at sidetracking people and performing many wonders. He's no fool.

I do definitely believe in nephilim. If one takes the bible as is, and gets the the most accurate translation, I have NO doubts about it. Creepy and very strange as it maybe, often truth is stranger than fiction.

Do a Google search on:

"Stones of Fire"

This will bring up some very interesting information that is pertinent to our times.

I don't know Russ. I have seen this stuff before and I don't know what it is, maybe just rocks, who knows. I have never come to a conclusion about it because it's one of those items that doesn't really seem to matter. I used to listen to art bell years and years ago, I see him mentioned at the main website carrying this (mars stones of fire) info... and I think he's looney.... a lot of weird interesting info yes, but looney overall, extremely superstitious etc, ken hoagland too, perhaps possessed of the devil and promoting his agenda if you want my honest opinion. Theres no denying the weird stuff, i think most of it is not of God.

Tying in the idea of Jesus arriving in a spaceship because Ezekial mentions some wierd stuff just really doesn't do it for me. Whatever Ezekial saw, it was much more than a spaceship. The strange creature also had cloven hooves, which we actually associate with the beasts or the devil, not God. The Lord at that point is not within the creature and the wheel, but high above that thing, Maybe God was just showing him something. Neither God nor his angels have faces of oxes or eagles or hooves.

Ezekiel 1:10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle....

25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings. 26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.


Jesus, delivers to us the holy spirit remember? Every single person that has ever been saved by him has met him, perhaps not seen him but been in his presence. And none have ever claimed to see a spaceship at those times, myself included.

I have seen some weird stuff elsewhere, and i do not put it past the minions of the devil to have plenty of devices in fact I am sure of it, maybe he even flies to mars, my imagination could take me many places in that respect. But God gave us the bible, that's it. We are to look there. Keep an eye on the firmament because it says he is coming in the clouds just like in Ezekiel, don't be looking for spaceships or you will probably surely find the devil.

Jesus is not coming in a spaceship. I am quite sure Russ. The devil is another matter altogether and who knows what kind of games he plays. God's angels are among us all the time, and no one knows when they come or when they go even though they surely do it.

Why on earth would anyone need to watch for spaceships if the holy spirit is with them? I think the martial arts teacher guy is very deceived and most certainly does not know God. which says a lot about those we call teachers more than anything else.

I think I basically agree.

The current alien phenomenon is evil. They are the Genesis 6 "sons of God" in all likelihood. I think Missler and the gray guy at the end of this video who speaks about the hybrid program probably have it "most" right.

UFO's, Angels and Gods

The Nebuchadnezzar dream, says "feet mingled with clay and iron" and the Bible goes on to say "they mingled themselves with the seed of men". This is probably already happening via the abduction phenomenon. The Bible speaks about these things coming on suddenly. I think this means they will be revealed suddenly and it will be shocking to many, although "they" are attempting to make the integration slow and palatable.

"Stones of Fire" is probably an ancient reference to the travels of the fallen sons of God, but I haven't done enough research on this to have an opinion.

Hoagland may be an insider (or may be being used) to promote the idea that these are actually aliens and not the sons of God, but this is just my speculation.

I agree that angels will not likely come in vehicles, but I can now see how this "end-time" deception is going to suck nearly everyone on Earth in, including many/most Christians. I can also see how these prophecies would not have been understood "until the time of the end". This makes sense now.

We're headed for interesting times, to say the least.

Right, and I also agree with that.

My thoughts though on some of it briefly, keeping in mind I only speak from my own experience so don't quote me for the most part.

The 'current alien phenomenon', is not really current. There is evidence of these things going on for centuries. We simply happen to have cameras now so that is helpful in retaining viable interest in 'visible' information/happenings, as opposed to the verbal recitations of stories/events which became myths and rumors overtime in the past, accessible by only an old drawing somewhere and the rest left to imagination.

The abuduction phenomena... not sure I fully believe it. Now, I have had friends in the past who have told me some very odd stories that they swear are true. It's useless to try to persuade them otherwise and then anyway, why bother, it might be true. However, and a big however from my perspective, is that I know from firsthand experience that satan is an expert at mind games. Expert. Many devices. I think it is possible for him to make certain types of predisposed people believe just about anything. So whether or not these things actually happen, is questionable. I personally have seen unexplainable lights, other things in the realm of UFO's, that I know for sure were there because others with me also saw them. I hesitate to use the term UFO because it brings up ideas of aliens etc. I have never seen 'aliens', dragon people, lizard people, big eyed midgets or anything of that nature. Which does not exclude the possibility that these things exist. But it seems, that the number of people who claim to have experienced these things or seen them are small in the general population, and there are never any photos (unless you've got one). They make drawings, and multiple people make the same drawings, and even recite the same events from different locations around the globe, that is true. No one ever actually sees it happen from an external perspective though. There are no photos. They 'wake up' and then tell about it later. We see this same phenonema relative to dreams, even prophetic dreams, of which I have had many since a child, but i like to think, mostly from God, though I cannot be certain all were. I am hardly alone in that. Keeping in mind that satan is an expert at deception, how could he not be with an eternity of experience at it, I would also refer to dreams and vivid dreams and nightmares so real that people question whether they were there or were they dreaming. Satan is an expert at these things and I cannot exclude the possibilty that he goes from one place, one person to another where he is able, and gives them the same 'mind' experience which he has been successful with elsewhere in the past.

Now there are demons... and they can hurt people... they drive people insane daily, they influence people in causal events. They influence emotions greatly in places. They can move objects etc, this is recorded phenonema actually witnessed by many over the years and by now photgraphed here and there. There are cases of stigmata. There are statues that weep tears of oil and 'blood'. There are murderers who cannot explain why they did it and even do not remember doing it yet the blood is all over their hands. There are things we see as diseases from a medical perspective, such as epilepsy, that people have been spiritually exorcised of and achieved recovery from that medicine could not achieve. Marks on bodies, can be attributed to familar but evil spirts, there is no doubt whatsoever. Given the combination of satan's expert tactics of mind deception and the ability to affect the physical world that we know, especially in regard to isolated cases of marks on the body, I cannot ignore the possibilty that the whole idea of 'abduction' is also simply a very skillfully played game, which is not actually happening. Until I have substantial proof I have to retain this position.

There is no evidence of aliens and whatever was found or claims to have been found at Roswell, is not proof of anything because it is such an isolated case and would appear to me that that craft did not crash but that the crash was intended. These spirits can transform themselves to appear like a lizard or even your grandmother, this is well known, stories of familar spirits abound and have even been photographed. We have cameras, it is not reasonable to assume satan does not have his own version, and it's likewise not reasonable to assume that a disembodied spirit cannot wear a lizard suit of some physical sort. the devil is very very clever, he has had many years, centuries, to work on this.

Yes, there are plenty of photos of 'unidentifed craft', but there is not a single one of the aliens inside. I insist they are spirits, demons, devils whatever, nephilim.... they may make craft but are unable to make living functional bodies though they might posses one, such as yours, but it still not is their own living breathing soul. They are not God and to this day only God has created life, all other attempts are versions and tamperings with his original creation. Hacked life.

I would also refer you to an old saying... seek and ye shall find... which goes as much for the devil as it does for God. There are things you should not bother seeking, your desire to discover may lead to a discovery which exists only for your sake, on the devil's terms. We know and cannot deny God because of his awesomeness. We also have faith that God will not deceive us because of his awesome nature, he has no need to. That cannot be said of the devil.

If you seek aliens, you will find aliens. How it is the aliens appear to you might be diverse yet you swear it is real, it happened to you. If people are naive enough to believe these things then they will be sucked in. If you are strong enough to resist perverse curiosity, depravity and lusts of power, and turn away and rest your faith in God, these things will not come near to you. And that, I do know for a fact. The devil will only tempt us when he is able. If faith is strong and he cannot get your attention, he knows already that he holds the losing hand and generally is not willing to surrender anything by attempting to steal what God owns. That is a very foolish position for him, he has lost many 'devices' in those types of attempts and his minions are also dwindled by them because God considers those things punishable offenses and will remove spirits that attempt to afflict his people without cause.

These stories of aliens and UFOs are made for people with no faith or weak faith in God, and most importantly, no savior to mount his forces about them, inform them of things to come, and keep the devil at bay.

Essentially to know about it somewhat is good, but only from the standpoint of not being duped by people in this world who would convince you of it's reality not realizing that they themselves are nothing more than servants of satan themselves and part of the overall mechanism that makes the grand scheme possible.

I need to add to that... there really is no need to search for the devil and his devices aka here as UFOs etc

In a search for God, as you may already know, you will encounter the devil. There is no way around it. Even Jesus was tempted by the devil and seems to have known him, his ways and his devices well if you read scripture.

The devil believes he is god and will test you in any sincere search for Jehovah God, thus you learn aout him and from the standpoint of God's blessing in that you are actually seeking him.

Dr. Deagle. Granada forum, parts 1-4. Could post the urls but don't want to be directly responsible for anabody's head blowin off.
Not for the fainthearted.

http://www.anomalicresearch.com/mp3/GRANADAFORUM/

What is that?

If y'all are gonna watch Dr. Deagle, ( who is a nice man BTW) , might be better to watch Phil Schneider first.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9042499324182317197

They shall mingle themselves with the seed of men- Daniel 2:43

What's the Bibles Viewpoint on UFO's..
Are they Messengers From God?
Or something else??

Interesting concept so I will share this..

As the 20th century winds down and conditions on earth steadily deteriorate,
belief in unidentified flying objects (UFO's) and their passengers, extraterresterial being's, continues to spread.
Are UFO's just fiction, a deception, a hoax, perpetrated by people who like to laugh at the public's gullibility?

Thoses who claim to have seen UFO's or their extraterrestrial passengers include seemingly normal, trustworthy people;
in fact, thoses who believe in theses visitors from other planets include well-educated professors and scientists.
They are convinced that extraterrestrials are observing humans and, at times, communicating with them.
So called extraterrestrial support groups are available to assist people who claim they have made contact with space visitors.

Alien Survival Plan

In Aliens Among Us, Ruth Montgomery interviews some of a growing number of people who are convinced that they are
extraterrestrial visitors residing in human bodies.
Some of these who claim to be humanized extraterrestrials said that in the year 2000, there would be
" a cosmic event that the hierarchies of angels and masters have been preparing for."
Some people believe that extraterrestrails are useing UFO's to collect and preserve plant and animal specimens or
that UFO's will be used as rescue ships to transfer millions of humans away from impending desolation of the earth.
After the great destruction, humans are to be returned to begin " the New Age and the New Order" of spiritual awareness.

One young man from Colorado, USA., a member of a group who called themselves " Alien Youth" said in all seriousness:
" My friends and I are waiting for our alien ancestors to beam us up."
A few of thoses who assert that they are extraterrestrials claim they are lead by God,
and others claim that they speak freely with him for advice in assisting humanity.

Is God working through visitors from other planets to save mankind from an upcoming world catastrophe?

God's Communication With Mankind

Early in Man's history, God communicated with humans.
The Bible record describes divine conversations with Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, and others.
(Genesis 3:8-10;6:13,15:1)

Dreams ,voices, and visions were used to communicate God's will and to the produce the Bible.
However after the Bible was completed, was there a need for direct heavenly communication with mankind?

No, since the Bible states that the Holy Scriptures make " the man of God...fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."
(2 Timothy 3:17)

According to the Bible, guidence for theses troubled times is to come from the written Word of God.
Neverless, is there any reason to believe that we would receive communication or special instructions directly from God through an extraterrestrial spokesman?

No, for the apostle Paul stated:
" Even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond what we declare to you as good news, let him be accursed."
-- Galatians 1:8

Although the assertions of supposed extraterrestrail beings seem to agree with Bible prophecies that the earth is soon to undergo major cataclysmic changes,
they offer a method of survival that relies on creatures.
The Bible does not urge men to flee to the supposed security of alien spacecraft or any other place.
Rather, it tells us to seek protection in a dedicated relationship with God, which dedication is symbolized by water baptism.
(1 Peter 3:21, compare Psalm 91:7; Matthew 28:19,20; John 17:3)

And Jesus said that " he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved."----- Matthew 24:13...

Do not theses scriptures emphasize a spiritual relationship with God for survival rather then a physical location of refuge?

Therefore, instead of assisting mankind to survive, stories about ' nonhumans beings'
divert people's attention away from what God actually requires for their everlasting welfare.

Who may try to steer mankind away from God's means of survival, yet claim to represent God?

Ed Conroy, in his book Report on Communion, states that " serious ufologists [thoses who study UFO's]
with training in the psychological and social sciences" include comparative studies of "bedroom visitors, 'ghosts, poltergeists, apparitions,
religious visions, and what have been regarded as demons.
" Many ufologists and thoses who claim to be extraterrestrails in human form state that useing spaceships to travel is mostly unnecessary.
They say that theses beings can travel invisibly and materialize anywhere on earth without arriving in spacecraft..

The Bible warns that Satan and his demons are intent on misleading mankind.
They take advantage of mankind's despair and hopelessness to offer attractive, but false, solutions.
(2 Corinthians 11:14)

Hence, the Bible warning:
" In later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons."
-- 1 Timothy 4:1..

In like manner today, any supposed visits and seemingly benefical guidance from such beings should be rejected,
whatever form they may take.

Thoses who would rather follow the advice of " extraterrestrails" than Gods Word are bound to be mislead,
-- a terrible mistake to make in theses critical times..