This thread has a number of different strands to it and exploring any of them is fine. Like Russ has previously stated threads go off topic and thats fine ! I dont think i have been unkind to Russ as a person in what i've said, or called names etc. Admittedly I am feeling angry about his remarks about sexuality as well as religious practices as it is close to home for me. And I feel strongly about challenging predjuce and ignorance when confronted by it.