Even I would agree with that. I think though that what Russ is trying to say is that the
essence of American law was/is biblical. That is evident by the fights that are currently going on over the 10 commandments in places like courtrooms, city halls, they've been there for ages. But yes, of course it has only ever been partially true, it was a standard we once, ideally of course, tried to live up to. If we did ever actually live up to it, we would have never needed the courtrooms. I don't think anyone is arguing that.
Suddenly I am reminded of an era, before anyone reading this was even born, when one of the most famous (and dare I say genius) writers, Oscar Wilde, was imprisoned simply for being gay. Imagine if, in this modern era, the police went knocking on the pop singer Morrissey's door and arrested him, sentencing him to more time than a rapist receives.
Even I would agree with that also. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, as the bible says.
Linda,
If your instincts rarely steer you wrong, then why are complaining about the after-effects of having taken anti-depressants? With all your veggie juicer wisdom, it should have been an obvious erroneous road to travel from the outset. You will even learn more about all of it and the meaning of the word wretch by trying 'all things' as you mention above in one of your long posts. Trying 'all things' is an obvious erroneous road to travel, though you may disagree because your instincts tell you otherwise.
My instincts steer me wrong all the time, I will openly admit it. I am fully conscious and terribly aware of it.
I think the problem with homosexuality, at face value, is not the homosexual personality. Talk of homosexuality in the bible is usually mixed with talk of fornication, oppression and violence, thievery, even gluttony. Homosexual relations as being unnnatural do refer to God's purpose for us, and that obviously is not it. Homosexuality, like fornication, encourages disease. A lot of God's laws are simply an effort to keep his people physically healthy. In Sodom, it was not just homosexuality that was a problem. Rape was common also, and there are suggestions that people died from the type of forcible rape, homosexual or hetrosexual that was committed there. God sent angels in the form of men to see things firsthand and the men of Sodom demanded sex even from them. Read the bible, Sodom was destryed for much more than men 'loving' each other. God wants men to love each other, but not pervert his purpose. Think also in regard to God's love, or Jesus. Many men claim to love God and Jesus. It is what is known as agape love, not sexual. I could be wrong, but there seems to be a misunderstanding from the homosexual postion about love between men in the bible. I have seen homosexual websites claim that Jonathan and young king David had a homosexual relationship, they seem unable to discern love between men without sexuality. It is a problem.
Homosexuals want to glorify their homosexuality these days. A lot of people are offended by that. I am offended by that, not because they are homosexual but because they want to put it my face all the time. It's really rude and terribly crude. I have known quite a few homosexuals in my days, I lived in NYC for 12 almost 13 years. I have rarely known a healthy one, they have a myriad of compliants. I have known several who have died of aids and/or drug abuse. Most of the free medical clinics in NYC are overwhelmed with gay men seeking services, there's very little presence of other groups in comparison. The gays I have known, all of them, are also extremely promisicuous. It is not possible to be near them without them expecting sexual favors, that truly has been my experience. And denying them of their lust leads them to anger. I find that very strange. Imagine if every man or woman you ever met and became friends with expected sex from you.
In regard to the church, yes homosexuality is considered sinful, and I don't think there's any argument about what the bible says about it. I also don't think there's any argument about what reality says about it. I have been to gay bars, there was one on my corner, another a few blocks away, great dance clubs both. But I definitely saw quite a bit of very strange behavior there. There are the few odd homosexuals who do not participate in that lifestye, but predominantly, they most definitely do. People know this, they would have had to have been born yesterday to not know it. But, in the church most surely there are also fornicators, thieves, an abundance of gluttons. Most churches are not opposed to homosexuals attending their services. They are generally opposed to the flagrant showing of it though, in the same way they are opposed to thieves and murderers boasting of their deeds. The hope is salvation and agape love with God. In regard to gluttony, not much is said about it, the world seems to have convinced us it's genetic. Though I would even disagree with that a lot of the time because gorging is not really genetic. Greed, another matter also.
God is not anti-sex btw, in fact he gets rather angry here and there when men don't satisfy their wives or vice versa, just as he gets angry when relationships become perverted and hurtful.
In regard to sex and the media, hardly just American... pretty much the entire world laughs at Prince Harry and the slutty british throne at this this point.
http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/2007/08/prince_harry_misbehavior_the_royals_1.phpThe Sun always has a story to sell about harry, it's a british paper, not american.
