You really have a way of coloring things. That's not good.

I've tried to be respectful in explaining that there are layers to be built in understanding these things, and this is true. I'm simply being honest and it has nothing to do with being a spiritual master, although I have done my homework.


This is the reply I was anticipating. It is a typical "textbook" position, as are many of your other beliefs (evolution, for example).

You see, you are now just beginning to learn about chemtrails and hence you are getting a beginners education in conspiracies. Of course, you—even though you are a newbie to this arena—already have your own theory worked out as to what and why you believe chemtrails exist (you stated your theory on the other thread).

But isn't it a little early to form your own opinions? Be honest with yourself.

When I say "know thyself", this quick-opinion-formation is a perfect example of exactly what I mean. I'm going to serve as a mirror for you for a moment, and you're not going to like it. I don't mean any offense, but it will be good for you if you are willing to allow it to be.

Here's what I see:

(1) You are very quick to accept ideas.

(2) You are very quick to modify ideas to synthesize (emotionally) "comfortable" positions.

(Again, I mean no offense. These are simply facts about your tendencies based on the actions I've seen from you.)

This method (you use) of coming to conclusions on deep matters is not prudent. It can only be (at the very least) emotionally-based, and therefore not in the scope of correlated, collaborated, discerned knowledge. Your chemtrail explanation is a clear example of this.

I have learned that this emotionally-based kind of thinking lends itself perfectly to the acceptance of unscientific myths like evolution, Christianity-bashing, and most other "politically-correct" ways of emotionalized thinking. This kind of mind is, in fact, primed, conditioned, and ready to accept the new world granting homage to a grand centralization of power.

What you are eventually going to learn is that the "new world" is not God's world, and you'll eventually find that it is not what it appears to be (just as with evolution).

Now to deal with the environmental conscience issue.

Your belief in this is a textbook example. The "new" belief systems promoted by national educational systems (nearly all of which have been compromised, but you have not learned that yet) are conditioning people for political moderatism. This moderatism is exactly where people need to be to accept the events that will unfold in the not-too-distant future. You have to remember that the "anti-Christ" will be very likable.

But let's refocus.

Modern ideas about human makeup, psychology, spirituality, and physical health are corrupt and lacking. Some anecdotal evidence for this is the current condition of health "care", dentistry, and the utter failure of psychology to deal with today's issues.

Like Kaiser Soze said:

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

—perhaps Charles Baudelaire

In the same vein, the modern process for conditioning people for the acceptance of socialism (the centralization of power) and eventually the acceptance of an anti-Christ is to de-spiritualize everything and convert it all to physical-reality based belief system. This process of conditioning (of which you are certainly a victim) is implemented by explaining away spiritual phenomenon and discrediting the Bible (which can only be done to those who don't know the Bible).

The purpose for this "physicalization" is:

(1) To eliminate the influence of Christianity on society (which happened to be one of the top 7 yearly goals for the National Educational Association (NEA) throughout a large part of the 90s).

(2) To explain certain (harmful and evil) events that will occur in the future that would fail in their purpose if the victims knew their true nature.

(3) To simplify propagandistic explanations to accommodate the "dumbing-down" process which will simplify and empower the implementation of mass lying (lying to the masses).

So, this is why the spiritual aspect of conscience has been removed from the textbooks, and you accept this idea because you are quick to accept textbook ideas, although you may, from time-to-time add your own twist as is fitting to your emotions.

Now, remember, I don't mean to be insulting at all in any way by being a mirror, but the fact is that all discussions of this nature eventually pass through an all-important phase of self-examination, which again is why I so often say, "Know Thyself".

Finally, I would say to you this concerning certain cultural morays accepting polygamy...

Have you seen the condition of the individuals in those societies?

Have you seen the conditions of those societies as a whole?

I hope I don't have to explain it any further than that.

You can disagree with the premise of spiritual conscience if you want to (have you studied this concept?) but your position does not hold water under scrutiny, and the same fate befalls all of the other "new world" philosophies.

(Know that I'm not trying to be offensive or proud in any way. I simply believe in telling the truth because knowing the truth is the only way people can truly grow. Telling the truth is an act of love, and if you don't judge the act simply by how it feels, you may discover that sometimes loves hurts, but that—for our own good.)


Are we all therefore perfect?
Do we then have no need to change?

If God is God then is it not He who has the right to judge these things? I believe so and therefore I have gained these understandings from the Bible.

The act of self-denial is good when it's executed with wisdom and can bring about (self-) improvement (change) for our benefit.

Let's start with a simple physical example; Fasting.

Fasting is the act of self-denial of food and is very beneficial for you. I won't work to support this as it's widely known and easily researched.

Let's look at another physical example. This one is a little more complicated in concept, but I hope you get it.

Exercise.

When you restrain your muscles, they grow; they get stronger.

This is one of the many spiritual concepts that God has modeled in the physical realm to help us understand spiritual concepts. Marriage is another example as I mentioned in another post.

Let's take an emotional example.

The hallmark of maturity is emotional composure, poise, and self control. Likewise, the hallmark of civilization is the same. It's no mistake that the concept of civilization and maturity go hand-in-hand.

All of the elements that compose civilization involve self-control. For example, tact often requires emotional restraint; you have to control your emotions. You may want (desire) to say something nasty or harmful, but out of respect for yourself and others, you exhibit tact, which is a form of restraint of the emotions as are the other attributes I mentioned. It (self-denial) is also (then) an act of respect towards another person.

More physical examples.

Sugar. Caffeine. Smoking. Drinking. What of these would we not do better without if we exercised restraint?

On the opposing side, the idea of letting your emotions out, or venting, is a barbaric, simplistic, immature idea that only fosters emotionalism in individuals and chaos in a culture. It is uncivilized.

But why would the powers-that-be want to promote emotionalism and chaos?

Simple. Because emotionally-based people are very easy to control and manipulate, as are people given over to lust—a lack of physical restraint (self-denial).

Now, the Bible teaches us this concept well, and I personally have seen the vast improvement in my life as a result of practicing it. It isn't always easy, but it's a great truth that the empty-minded textbook-based new-world philosophies are attempting to destroy (again to our demise) for the purpose of enabling the centralization of power. (The Bible promotes the division of power, hence the U.S. form of "divided-powers" government, which worked very well until the powers had no longer been divided, as it is now; but more on that another time.)

Finally, many natives understood the value of restraint (self-denial) that they artfully expressed through this story.

"There is found within you two warring faces. One is a wise and majestic bear who guards himself and his people. The other is a raging wolf who devours his village and his family. In this great battle, how do you know which one will win? Answer: The one you feed."

"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

—2 Timothy 1:7
(The term "sound mind" is the Greek word sōphronismos meaning "self-control".)


"But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace."

—James 3:14-18


See Rome, Greece; history is replete with examples.

Of course, you have to carefully read some of the literature to realize that these practices rose more and more as time went on, just as in many nations today. Modern literature downplays the relationship between this homosexual trend and the decline of civilizations (of course they do this to promote the centralization of power by attempting to conceal the association), but it is visible if you read carefully and do your homework. Do some research if you care to. It's very interesting.


Again, your Biblical perceptions are completely formed from terribly biased secular sources. Not only that, but I clearly explained in my previous post why what people do in private affect the collective.

The Bible does not say that sex is dirty. It says that anything out of it's intended context is harmful.

For example, numerous people die each year from consuming shellfish. If people followed the Bible law for food, this would not occur. God loves life and prosperity but He is unable to give gifts to people who are not mature enough to receive them and use them in their intended ways.

Another example is that sorcery is considered a sinful (harmful) practice. Sorcery is the practice of putting non-food items in your body (herbs are food-by the way). Considering that in all likelihood well over 2,000,000 people die annually from doctor-prescribed pharmaceutical drugs in the U.S. alone, you can see how this grieves God.

Furthermore, if you consider that the placement of mercury in the mouth would also be considered sorcery, can you images the suffering and death that would be averted had modern medicine obeyed the Bible law.

Don't bother telling me how medicines help people. There are herbal substances and foods that can work more safely and effectively for nearly any health issue that people have, and had they been following Biblical diets in the first place, probably more than 95% of disease would not exist to begin with. God makes these laws for our health and prosperity. He does not like pain and suffering. (Do a search for "raw food diet" on YouTube).

Sex is the same way, but outside of its intended context, it causes untold heartache, dulling of the conscience (which leads to numerous other issues), broken families, parentless children, divorce, resentment, etc.

God has no problem with sex. He invented it. He just wants us to enjoy it without harming ourselves. This is the reason for law.

The Bible does not say sex is dirty. The Bible says that doing things that are outside God's law will harm us (which He does not want) either in the short term or long term.

You need to understand this simple concept. God wants to and enjoys giving blessing to us. The problem is that most of us are not mature enough (actually don't want to me mature enough) to receive all of them. It's like some kinds of technology, it can make us prosperous and take a lot of the work out of our day but we end up blowing ourselves up with it and poisoning ourselves with it.

Would you give lawnmower to a 5 year old?


There is no Biblical requirement for celibacy. This is largely a Catholic imposition and has nothing to do with the Bible. Moses was married. Abraham was married. Many of the prophets were married.

Here are some enlightening quotes.

"Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth. Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love."

—Proverbs 5:18-19
(Animals are used as examples because of the agrarian culture.)

"Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency."

—1 Corinthians 7:3-5


You're being completely back and white here. This is a progressive problem that has accumulating effects and consequences. It's not simply "on" or "off".

The fall is associated with (not directly caused by) an increase. That's what I'm saying here.

You see Linda, history is a great teacher, and when we don't learn from it, we simply repeat our mistakes. I care about people (as does God) and I do not want to see people fall into these traps.

The complicating (confusing) factor is that there is a third party that keeps changing history in as much as they can, and they do this to (ultimately) centralize power, and they facilitate this by carefully creating a social climate and opposing belief systems so as to turn you against me, and to turn you against the Bible so you'll never learn it's freeing principles that oppose the centralization of power.

It's exactly as the public conviction of Christ. There is a third party acting against us and working for their own benefit by turning us against each other. They know that true Christians don't believe what they want but rather they let the data lead them. They also know that many people in the world (those who will not be inclined to let the data lead them) can be utilized (used) to overpower the Christian influence, again, for the centralization of power. They know that these non-Christians that are not "data-led" (emotionally-guided) will easily be turned against Christians if Christians and the Bible are slandered, and that is exactly what is happening in the world today and was predicted for this time by the Bible.

Here is a glimpse of the powers-that-be at work.

Look at all flags of the world and ask why most of them have a yellow-fringe around them. This is the tip of a very large iceberg and the starting point of a fascinating study.


They are not irrational if you look at the true effect, that is, where it really leads. You, in this belief, have become the victim and the pawn.


No.

I believe that God would rather that whatever form of toxicity is causing the depression would have never happened in the first place, and had the world been obeying (the masses would be enforcing) sorcery-related Biblical laws, I bet you would not have the depression and hence you would not have the sexual loss as well.

I'm sure this does not please Him at all—to see what has done to you or to any of the rest of us (including me) by the powers that be—the same powers, by the way, that change history, twist truths, and slander God and attempt to turn you and I against each other by changing history and misrepresenting the Bible as they attempt to keep you from ever learning the powerful and liberating principles in the Bible.

These powers-that-be are the root cause of your ailment and are our true foes.