I am frustrated with my fellow posters. You so often take me out of context. (ahem... Linda)
I did not say:
Homosexuals (are) responsible for the fall of civilizations?
I said:
It may be helpful for some of these to see that the fall of many civilizations was closely proceeded by a sharp rise in the practice of homosexuality.
In my study, not only is this true, but is makes absolute sense to my belief system.
Linda said...
A person who denies the very essence of themselves in order to conform to what their family and society expect of them is the one who is harming themselves.
This is absolutely untrue and is a belief system that harms people by denying them the opportunity to know the truth, which is:
Self-denial is the essence of growth and strength, both physically, mentally, and spiritually.
I really don't know how much I should have to explain this point as I think that most people should be able to see it clearly, but I suspect that many do not.
As far as homosexuality goes, what I said earlier stands.
I am not trying to be high and mighty when I say this but I will tell you the truth in asking: How do you explain the philosophical relationship between a belief in panspermia and evolution to a 5 year-old?
Simply, it's not possible to explain spiritual principles to people who don't understand the fundamentals related to them. No judgment. I just don't have any idea how to do it.
Christians bearing Bibles have been responsible for much of the most egregious bloodshed in history. The slaughter of hundreds of millions of native Americans by bloodthirsty Christians springs immediately to mind.
Not true. I've been through this before.
Learn your history, and not from the Discovery Channel.
Christians are not bloodthirsty. The Indian wars were about survival. If you sail across the ocean to escape the kind of tyranny that a lack of Christian understanding feeds and the inhabitants say "leave or I'll kill you", well, what are your choices?
Not a very Christian reception, eh?
The defamation of Christianity spreads through many fields and throughout the tightly controlled textbooks including history books. It's amazing and sad that the very system that brought civilization, knowledge, peace, and prosperity to nations of the world is now looked upon so darkly. Again, it comes down to study and the ability to see through the revisionist historians' rhetoric.
"What is history but a fable agreed upon."—Napolean Bonaparte
(This man knew something many do not know today.)
This defamation of Christians in the early America are only promoted to facilitate the centralization of power by slandering and consequently reducing the numbers willing to learn and understand the only belief that can reverse this horrible turn of events. There are countless lies being touted as truth by the very people who long to oppress you.
Better wake up soon.
Why do religious people look to scapegoat so much? Why does so much fear, anger and outright hatred burn within them? Religious people - absolutely including Christians - have always been there with torches, ready to kill witches and Jews and heretics and homosexuals and Muslims and anyone else they feared.
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You've really got your facts mixed up. You sound like a modern textbook.
When you stop believing everything you read and start filtering the truth from the propaganda, then we can have a meaningful discussion.
Without sending me to do research, without offering hyperlinks to videos and essays, would you please explain in a nutshell why you think that homosexuality causes harm to others.
Again, I cannot explain this to you completely because you don't have the underlying foundation to understand and it might take a short book to lay the groundwork properly, but because you asked so... well... I'm not sure if that was sarcastic or not—but I will give you the benefit... I'll do the best I can with the tools I have.
We all have a conscience. This conscience has a dual nature. It is both spiritual (intellectual) and physical (environmental).
The physical part is the part that is learned. For example, you may learn that it is bad to lie.
The spiritual part is a little harder to explain, but I'll try.
For those who understand, the spiritual part is like unto the BIOS (the basic input-output system) in a computer; it is the information that is provided by the manufacturer of the computer that gives the computer the "knowledge" it needs to get started. In the science world this is sometimes called instinct, although this term is often misused. I do, however specifically refer to this attribute as instinct.
This "provided" knowledge ("instinct" from now on) includes several things including "spiritual" conscience and "initial behavior". Initial behavior is the knowledge a pig needs to suckle, for example, or the knowledge a bird needs to fly or build a nest.
The "spiritual" conscience is provided by God. Here is a mention of it in the Bible:
"...I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;"—Hebrews 10:16
The word "laws" (Greek "nomos") may be better translated "knowledge" or more specifically "the knowledge of law". In simple terms: the difference between right and wrong.
According to this "promise"—which it is commonly called by Christians (it is actually part of the terms of a covenant between God and mankind)—humans will "instinctively" know the difference between right and wrong (i.e. "natural law").
When your conscience is violated—whether it is environmental or spiritual—there are natural consequences. In fact, the reaction is very similar no matter which area of the conscience is violated—spiritual or environmental.
Let's talk about the spiritual conscience.
A child who is sexually molested at a young age—an age in which they have not learned that it is wrong (not environmental)—still will suffer from the event. It can profoundly affect a personality even much later in life and can also lead to very dramatic symptoms a year or two after the event, such as fecal smearing. Because the child has no conscious understanding about sexuality, this reaction is not attributed to learned or environmental conscious conditioning. The event is interacting with the instinctive (or "spiritual") conscience. (From now on I will call this type of interaction a "violation")
Let's talk about the environmental conscience.
If you lie believing that it is wrong, certain muscles tighten, your blood pressure rises, your adrenalin levels rise; in fact, you end up having a "fight-or-flight" type fear response. If you continue violating your conscience over a long period of time, it can actually make noticeable changes to your Physiology, i.e., it can make you look different.
Now, if you continue to lie over an extended period, you will eventually exhibit changes that will be visible, such as subtle changes to the shape of your skull (possibly due to constant muscle stress in certain places), changes in the way you hold your jaw, changes to teeth, eyes, and other things that can actually be discerned visibly.
More profound non-visible changes will occur as well, such as a desensitization of the conscience in general. This desensitization can, over time, cause this person to be more prone to lie, and because the conscience affects many areas of behavior, they will be more prone to other behavior because they will become less subject to the "guidance" associated with the conscience. They may become coarse in language, abusive, bullying, they may start drinking, and may even begin to steal. This process can go on until the person experiences a nervous breakdown or other harmful symptoms, although some will not. In fact, the effects of violating the "nomos" is almost always harmful to some degree.
This "nomos" includes information about homosexuality being against "natural law", and breaking the conscience on this point has similar effects as breaking it on any other point. Again, this will cause a long-term desensitization in the conscience of the person.
Homosexuals have certain attributes that are pretty well-known, so much so that they have often been the brunt of comedic routines. These attributes include physiological changes and behavior changes. I believe these physiological changes are due to prolonged violation of the conscience. The behavioral changes are often caused by the same but can be accompanied by a spiritual influence as well. (Things are usually more complicated than you initially believe).
The way this damage to the conscience hurts society is multifaceted. This type of damage lends itself to fragmentation, and in knowing quite a few homosexuals in my life, I would plainly classify them as some of the most self-focused individuals I have known. Not all of them are like this, but this is clearly a prevailing and disproportionate tendency. There are other attributes I witnessed as well but I won't get into that now.
There are also collective consequences.
Because there are evil people in the world constantly striving for power and money and using any immoral means to achieve their goals, there is a necessity for a populace to guard against the corruption that accompanies this type of people.
Guarding against this type of evil requires that a certain percentage of the population participate in matters of state that don't directly benefit themselves (a rather selfless act). These people must also understand enough about truth to make effective decisions whether electing "officials" or voting for the person who has enough wisdom to make effective decisions.
When a person's conscience is desensitized, they will have a tendency toward selfishness and therefore will tend not be involved in collective activities unless they know it benefits them in some way. This reduction in participation and skew toward selfish political endeavors results in a natural opportunity for the penetration of evil people into powerful positions.
"The people of every country are the only safe guardians of their
own rights, and are the only instruments which can be used for
their destruction. And certainly they would never consent to be so
used were they not deceived. To avoid this they should be
instructed to a certain degree."—Thomas Jefferson to John Wyche, 1809.
When a sufficient percentage of the population no longer participates in the collective good, then all in the collection become subject to the corruption that naturally results.
Homosexuality, pornography, and all other violations of the individual "spiritual" conscience result in the eventual self-focus of an individual, eventually resulting in a lack of collective participation to guard against the influences of evil.
The United States is currently suffering from this very type of crisis today.
On the contrary, when a person has a clean conscious, they are more empowered, courageous, passionate, focused, have higher self-esteem, are happier, and are generally more effective for the collective and individual good.
The natural desire for a non-selfish person would be to want to keep their conscience un-violated so they can participate in the collective good because this supports another "nomos" law that we naturally have, and that is that there is great reward to serving and/or helping others.
Of course, you cannot keep your spiritual conscience clean without knowing these natural laws consciously so that you can "keep" them. For this reason, the Bible contains them.
On a national scale, the conspirators who perpetrate evil against the United States know how all of this works. They also know that the only way they can succeed in their evil endeavors is to neutralize their opposition. They know that they can do this by numbing each individual conscience (seduction, pornography, homosexuality, etc.), distracting the masses (wild weather, sports, contests, games, human drama), disabling the masses (drugs, chemtrails, vaccines, mercury, genetically-modified foods, restricting vitamins & herbs), imposing their will (passing laws outlawing speaking against homosexuals or speaking against the actions of the state in general), and neutralizing the source of information pertaining to the spiritual conscience (slandering the Bible via mass media, forbidding churches to express political positions).
Homosexuality is a piece of the pie being used to disable the masses to the harm of us all, as is mercury, evolution, drugs, etc.
I hope this explains it sufficiently for you.
