OK we're back to Russ' line of reasoning. He/whoever else has researched this subject much more thoroughly than me and therefore what I am saying is ignorant and wrong. I watched a fair bit of Hovind's video but no, I'm not sitting through two and a half hours of it. You can call that lazy if you want, I call it wanting to make better use of the precious little "me" time I get. I did actually pause the vid and try to read what he had on the overheads and it was impossible. He is a good rhetoritician. However, like you in saying you just don't have the time to educate me, I've got to say I just don't have the time for this insane waffle either. My sister in law is a professor of geology. She wouldn't listen to any of this weirdness for a moment. I've tried to hear something of what people have to say about this, to try to understand where they are coming from, but all I seem to encounter is an attitude of smug satisfaction that they are right and the rest of the world is wrong. So far I don't think I've learned much at all from this and I don't this I'm going to gain anything from continuing to debate it.