''thinking this way' being the problem i totally agree with, i also don't really feel.. against people who are caught up in it though, its how people are.. needing to believe in something.. or they feel out of control... and i for one know its horrible to feel out of control.. having 'reality' turned upside down (mercury). its been shown the best of people who do the worst things (arguing as an example) sometimes truly beleiving they are doing good (in an evidently distorted way in 20/20 hindsight)

i think this thread could just about end with saying that god most probably does exist. i havn't read it all, but it seems that way. it just got into specifics about what version or something??!!!! kinda like saying.. was it a man or a women to an investigator, and everyone saying "there definately was someone, but i don't remember what they looked like, or whether it was male or female"

yes She does exist in all her Glory