Anon's Quote: "I suggest picking a book on evolution, just posting qualities that apes have and do not seem as close as humans is bad science specially when most of what you posted could be argued with facts easily".

===> Hmm bad science? It's general knowledge (which is very basic science). I was brought up on evolution. Never heard the other side and neither have many people. It was never a case of questioning it, you were told it was so. The continual push to convince us that we are from the apes by attempting to exaggerate and focus on any similarity does not allow a person to consider the significant differences. And to give people that chance is only fair...... If these facts can be argued with very easily as you have suggested, then perhaps you'd like to give me an example of a transitional form between man and ape? As far as I am aware, every creature reproduces after it's own kind.... Variation within a kind is not evolution! How is it bad science to put up the list of differences when all of us have been exposed only to the similarities? You're simply accusing us of the very thing you are doing.

Anon's Quote "I'm opposed to abortion as a general rule, specially in a country like the US where taking care of a child should be no problem. You should take alook at other countries where women have 5 - 6 children and take care of them no problem with barely living income.
If you can do the deed, you face the consequences.
But in extenuating circumstances such as rape or when it puts the mother in danger of health I'm not opposed to it, though with your argument of murder you would be opposed to it.
Also it is a fetus when the baby is inside the mother's, specially when it is legal to abort them before the second trimester. It is not a fully developed baby yet. Calling it baby for more shock in your argument doesn't help it.
I'm just curious, but are you a vegan? I would find it hypocritical to call the termination of a fetus murder if you can enjoy a nice steak or some nice scrambled eggs. Animals feel as much pain as we do".

===> I am not a vegan and I do not believe you can compare cattle or chicken/eggs to a human baby. And your arguments here once again are an attempt to take the emphasis of the value of a growing child in the womb and 'de-humanise" it as much as possible. Regardless of what stage the child is at, it is a growing human being. Rape can not be used to support the killing of the unborn, they did not ask to be conceived....which is the worse crime? Rape or the murder of the unborn? There is adoption. WHY NOT THEN ABORT THE RAPIST? But in saying this? I would not judge the victim of rape or incest if they made this awful decision. I think these women do not get enough support in their pregnancy, be it the result of rape or relationship and are not informed on abortion enough to be as responsible as those who know better (ie. medical staff).

as I am often accused of using my religion in regards to abortion. Your arguments here could be accused as being based exclusively on evolutionary thinking. And perhaps it's easier to imagine the first stages of the unborn really dont make it that "human" to help ones conscience. If I had the strong belief that we as human beings were really just advanced apes? that we had no real point to any of this? Perhaps my point of view might be different and easier for me to consider the unborn really isn't that valuable because....neither are we. But I do not believe that we come from apes at all. Every creature reproduces after its own kind. In saying that we had a common ancestor..I could just as easiy say we have a common designer.

Why would Charles Dawson feel the need to fake a missing link if he was so confident? He fooled students for more than two years with the piltdown hoax...how is that being honest or scientific towards students who are trying to learn? See the motivation here and agenda? And that was far from the only hoax and embarrassment for the evolutionists. If the earth was billions of years old? We should have a deluge of transitional forms that would leave everybody without question. Yet they are still searching for a "missing" link.