Hi Tracy, thank you for your your kind comments here, much appreciated. And Tracy, I would not worry yourself too much over the so-called scientific facts of a lot of these things, you would be surprised how much lies and bias can enter into it and the scientific arena is no exception. The arguing and deception that goes on and the changing of facts, circular reasoning, or keeping long- since disproven theories (which still turn up in textbooks) going should give you some idea that it is very hard to know what is REALLY going on. It is not always evolutionists and creationists going at eachother's throats, evolutionists also argue among themselves.

As most of us here are not scientists or geniuses, then so much is down to faith. And the stuff some go on about, I wouldn't have a darned clue about the terminology. Only someone who is familiar enough in the same area of education would be able to understand or even catch a person out if they were talking rubbish and hiding behind impressive terminology to fool others. You'd be surprised at how many frequent the forums who pose as being all sorts of important things in life. and maybe nothing of the sort! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Tracy, you will find that the amount of accounts of supernatural events in history are vast and in fact often one does not have to go past a friend, relative or neighbour to find similar accounts (even ourselves in some cases) and positive or negative, there are MANY strange occurances in life, history (as you know). I dare say there are probably far more supernatural stories/accounts than there are missing links (which by the way are called missing because....they're missing).. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

If someone is on here with scientific background and knowledge, who is absolutely certain of evolution and can give a verifiable proof, I suggest (if it is still there) to look up Dr Kent Hovind's offer. He has offered a substantial amount of money to anybody who can give him solid proof of evolution. This guy debates with evolutionists all the time, he visits schools and has no problem at all having more than one evolutionist at a time debating with him.

There you go, if it is still there (go search) you can put HIS money where your mouth is (literally). And let me know if/when you receive the reward of being the first person who has changed the name "theory of evolution" to "the established fact of evolution". Fame and finance may well await you.

Tracy, I have watched debates amongst evolutionists and creationists on video many times. I have seen a creationist stand in front of a classroom full of evolutionary students pelting him with question upon question. I have seen creationist debating with more than one evolutionist at once. I can tell you Tracy that from what i have viewed? To see equally qualified people battling it out with arguments for either side is an interesting way to get an idea of both angles.

For me? I was far from rattled in my faith, but rather confirmed it. Certainly, I am beginning to understand that far from science disproving the existance of a designer, it can so often seem to confirm it. THe imprint of design upon nature and every creature is there (DNA and all).

Jill, being as knowledgeable as you are, could you tell me please the name of the top (or one of the top) scientist/atheist that has made a surprising admission (in relatively recent times) that though he still believes in Evolution, that he has found that without a doubt that it was sparked by intelligent design? You should know this because this guy was like the god of evolutionists/atheists. If I recall his name I will put it up on here. This guy, atheistic as he was seemed to arrive at the conclusion after years of studies and looking under microscopes that the evidence for intelligent design was no longer able to be denied. He admitted that it was not even possible for all this to happen without it. However, he does not believe that this "spark of intelligence and design or "being" or "power"" has any real personal qualities or interest in the world or its inhabitants. He appears rather to refer to "it" as power/intellect/design.