I'm getting worse day by day, there doesn't seem to be an end to all this. I'm having huge thoughts disorder and consciousness/awarenness disorder. Today I even wasn't sure what my name was. My head is sleepy yet I can't sleep. I feel like in suspension. This thing has destroyed me completely. Sorry for taking your time again.

I'm sorry you're feeling so poorly Jinx. Can you let us know what is happening with you? Have you changed anything lately that might have triggered this? Are you on any medications?

Don't give up, I know it must be frightening feeling like this but help can be found. There are lots of people here who can give good advice. Do you have a doctor or a naturopath you can see?

Hugs,
Linda.

If you don't mind my asking, have you been on any psychiatric meds at any point? The language you are using, "thought disorder," etc, sounds like psychiatrist-speak to me. I think you've done well to resist the effort of others to do things like put you in a psych ward. However bad things are now, they would only get worse there because you'd be drugged. If you have a history of taking these kinds of meds I can offer some help.

Otherwise, like I said, maybe you could give us some more details and we can brainstorm some ideas. What supplements are you taking?

Linda.

DID YOU READ MY MESSAGE JINX MATE LOVE TRACY XXXXXXX

I'm not in a shape to reply now, can't pull my brain together sorry guys. thx

ALL THE WAY TOGETHER MATE POST ME AGAIN WHEN YOU CAN LOVE YOU MAN TRACY XXXXXX

Jinx your definately suffering anxiety. Most people who truley suffer mental illness and dont know whats going on adn unware of things. You are AWARE and scared of it all which strikes ANXIETY and anxiety can cause all those symptoms. MIND BLANK, Cant process thoughts, stress, dizzy depression and you have generalized your anxiety now.

take no offence anon, but you clearly don't know what you're talking about. (not in my case)

the topic "I dont think im going to make it" is just a serious negative doubt or thought(you wont make it because you BELIEVE YOU WONT). If you werent going to make it they would have put you in hospital and yet your at home on the net reading and writing on a forum. I doubt many real psychiatric problems could do that. im serious i dont mean to be rude but i want to help you understand thats all.

My aunty had a really mental problem and she didnt even know it. couldnt process thoughts or write and tey hospitalised her. she wasnt stressing over it or was anxious. yet your so ANXIOUS about it all no wander you suffer symptoms.

you know, that's funny, how do you know I'm anxious? are you with me right now? fact of a matter is I'm not anxious at all, and that's bad cause I should be with the situation I'm in. yet I don't care at all, the only reason I'm writing here is because there is some leftover of my brain that still has awaraness.
or how do you know how much I really do process? How do you know If I process things correctly? because it *seems* so on the forum? well, cause if I was I would be participating here more often.
Do you think I come/write here at any time or only when I feel strong enough? cause it's the latter, the rest of time I spend lying in bed cause I can't get myself to do anything.
How long do you know it takes me to write a post or process things?
How do you know you coould have a normal conversation with me live?
My heart isn't racing nor am I breathing rapidly/shallow. No anxiety.

And many psychitric illnesses arise overtime with one being less productive, not just overnight like your aunt's. And I see myself shutting down more and more. There's no real way for you to tell me that I'm not right in what I'm wiriting cause you can't verify it. I am going through this, and wouldn't be taking people's time if it weren't that bad.

Do I have anxiety? no. Do I live in "fear" (cause I dont feel it)? yeah hell I do, cause I have good reasons for it.

veggiejuice - this situation seems to have been brought on by a lemonjuice/water enema I did 2 days ago. It seems to have given me some die off and released toxins and now I'm worse 2 days after, I have cleaned it all out with plain water and didn't help.

curently taking multivitamin with chelated minerals, 1000mg C, drinking greentea and the candida diet. plus homeopathic dropsfor imune system, helicobater and metals but don't take the last one much so as to not stir up many metals. I really don't know what's helping me, nothing seems to, and I'm just getting worse.
I tried things like algin, activated charcoal they didn't seem to work.

I'm also very short of money so can't even buy things like flaxseed oil with omega 3 nor experiment.
I'm taking ground flaxseed though for fiber.

I am in the same situation here. Whatever I try, it seems to make me worse. I wish I knew what is actually going on in the body.

Jinx: The emotional/mental symptoms of mercury poisoning are caused by its destructive effect on the endocrine system, namely the pituitary, adrenals and thyroid. I recommend getting a multi glandular that contains pituitary, adrenal and thyroid gland material.

-Colin

I wish I could help Jinx. I could suggest some supplements but I know it's hard when money is tight. At this point I would say, listen to other senior members of this forum who know more about mercury poisoning, chelating, and the things that help the most with those. I am still learning.

Re: mental illness. There is no such thing. There are collections of symptoms, which people have given labels to and called diseases. You could be presenting symptoms of psychosis, schizophrenia, mania, depression, OCD, anxiety, etc etc. These are real. The fault lies in calling them diseases and then saying "here's the drug you use to treat it."

Jinx may be experiencing anxiety, and with good reason. It could be psychological, physiological, a mix of both. Let's not debate about whether this is a legitimate "illness" because that is just nonsense. Let's focus on hekping Jinx to overcome the symptoms and get well.

I'AM GETTING CONFUSED HERE HAS THIS FORUM NOW CHANGED. IT WAS A FORUM FOR MERCURY POISONED PEOPLE AND JINX IS MERCURY POISONED, WHY IS HE NOW BEING LABELLED AS SOMETHING ELSE. WE USE TO ALL COME ON TO SHARE OUR IDEAS FOR DIFFERENT TREATMENTS FOR MERCURY POISONING. WE SEEM TO HAVE OPENED UP TO OTHER THINGS. SOMEONE JUST TOLD ME THEY DONT WANT TO COME ON ANY MORE COS WE KNOW WE'RE POISONED SEVERLEY LIKE JINX, AND SOME OF THIS STUFF JUST AINT HELPFUL WHEN YOUR POISONED YOU CANT BE TOLD NOT TO BE ANGRY OR NEGATIVE THATS WHAT THE POISON DOES LIKE ITS CAUSE JINX'S PROBLEMS. CAN WE GET BACK TO THE MERCURY ISSUE. TRACY

I haven't labelled Jinx as anything. Jinx asked a question and as far as I can see, we've been having a conversation. I can't say I've found some comments here particularly helpful, but sometimes that's the nature of conversations.

Yes this forum is focused on mercury poisoning, but that is not always the entire picture for everybody. And even when someone is poisoned, there are often other issues too. And there's life that people are trying to get through as best they can.

All Jinx would have to do is shift the focus of the conversation back to mercury and take it from there, surely?

Anonymous, anxiety, depression, blank mind, concentratin problems, anything can be attributed to mercury poisoning. If you dont believe in it, why are you on this forum?

Jinx has pointed out time and time again his symptoms worsened severely after amalgam removal because he was exposed to a lot of mercury during that process (did not get the protection).

He also gets dramatic symptoms from attempting to remove the mercury, which is another clear indicator. Sometimes the way to find out if you are toxic is to take something that mobilises mercury. if your symptoms increase (particulary metal taste etc), you have possibly nailed it. Or some other toxic metals.

It can be quite patronising to someone under this type of toxicity to have suggested to them that they are simply suffering an anxiety disorder. There are people out there that enjoy attributing everything to a mental illness and any physical symptoms will also be attributed to that.

They will not take note of metal taste, tremors, salivation, and all sorts of symptoms that are toxic into account or any other obviously toxic symptoms.

Mercury cannot be blamed for all ills, but if someone is on this forum then they believe it is part or even all of their issue and are wanting support and advice. If they wanted the same old psychiatric responses, they'd get off here and go back to their doctors. Most of us have been through that already and I dare say Jinx doesn't need to hear more of the same.

nothing wrong with helping someone with their symptoms by suggesting aids for anxiety, depression or whatever, but to make out that is the whole problem? and not even taking this toxin into account is kind of adding insult to injury. Jinx is clearly suffering very real physical symptoms, but unfortunately mercury never stops there. It so often causes mental symptoms as well.

Anxiety is not just an isolated thing, mostly it is caused by something that does not belong in the body/brain. People who are truly healthy usually cannot even make themsevles anxious (unless it is a genuine situation to cause a normal response of anxiety). Those who suffer it for no apparent reason are usually ill.

Many times mercury toxic people have a feeling of total despair and doom. The action of this neurotoxin is diabolical and the suffering can be tremendous. So I think this forum is a sanctuary for many because here is where they are understood and can feel free for once to express how they feel to others who are very likely getting similar.

Only those who are truly toxic with this stuff understand. It's that simple.

Hit the nail on the head Bex.. Tracy

another day and I'm worse. I'm going insane, I guess there's no stopping this.

im going insane is an obvious anxious statement. Most people who are insane dont know it.

People with Mercury poisoning actually do recognize that their mental state has or is changing, you can feel pretty insane and be aware of the fact. Therefore its even harder to cope with because you know whats happening, but can't stop it. Jinx knows exactly how he feels and he's already said that he's not suffering anxiety. He may be poisoned, but like all of us who are suffering from this horredous illness, he's not unintelligent and he's the only one who knows how he feels. Nobody else knows, and Jinx finds it insulting to be told he's suffering from anxiety when he is'nt. These sort of comments do'nt help him at all. Tracy

Only anxious people would say im going insane. Its proven that its a comment only made by people who worry about the future such as fortune telling. I have a degree in CBT, anxiety and depression form OPEN UNI and I have learnt traits.

Dont mean to be rude but I know anxiety is probably not the only problem you suffer. its a mied bag of mercury, stress, food which results in the anxiety which you have too.

Sorry, but .... LOL!! I also have a degree from Open Uni -- an RBS degree -- that means I can recognize BS when I see it.

And I'm sure that our Jinx knows BS when he sees it as well.

Jinx, don't let the malcontents get you down. We're with ya!

not putting you down Jinx. Just want to help you.

You should work on all your thoughts. Everything you write here saddens me as I feel so upset and want to help you. You should definately try thinking more positive <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> im not saying it will help but it may alleviate some pain while you detox

To Mr. Anon university, if you don't believe Jinx's problems are caused by a physical reaction to the poison, excuse me but what are you doing on this forum. I take it you are not poisoned or you wouldn't suggest such crap. I and other members of this forum are getting sick and tired of being told how we feel. Again I say nobody knows how Jinx feels but Jinx. I hope you don't mind me disclosing this Jinx, but I'm trying to make these idiots understand. Jinx was an English teacher. He's a very intelligent guy. Do you realise you people are dangerous. Yes, dangerous, It dosen't take much b******t from people when your in this state to tip you over the edge. I think your degree was a bit of a waste of time, its like someone doing a job, may have a degree and no nothing about the work against someone who has no degree but plenty of experience. I wonder again, do you suffer from toxicityl I guess not. Tracy P.S. I spent a very short time on a mental health unit when I first became ill, while there I recognized that I did'nt have a mental health problem at all and this was confirmed by psychiatrists. There was a young man in his twenties there who had been labelled as a patient with mental health problem as he was in a lot of pain, that they said was in his mind. Well guess what they got it wrong. SURPRISE, SURPRISE, He had terminal cancer and died shortly after being released. "I can spot traits" What a crock of you know what. I wonder if Jinx remembers when you met and assessed him. Did you like Poland?

Do you realise that "thinking positive" requires proper brain chemistry functioning. Loser.

shiiit, I'm seriously losing it, I'm so sorry if I won't be able to continue this journey with you guys, god I so want it, just know you are all great guys one of the most supportive people I have ever met (!!!), never in my life did I imagine that I would meet such fantastic staff of people and even through the internet. I wish I could be the one who's in better shape and giving help here, I owe you all guys, you are great comrades.
don't be too hard on the anon guy, he's trying to help, though he doesn't understand much.

Jinx, is there anyone in your area who could help you? A naturopath? Someone who could give you some tests?

BTW I am an English teacher too. For a long time I was unable to read, but I can now, though it has to be said I don't get as much out of it as I know I would if I were well. I'm sure you've helped a lot of students, and that they would be pulling for you to get well. Please don't give up.

Does anyone here know what the lemon juice/water enema might have done to make Jinx feel worse? Any ideas? This isn't something I really know anything about.

Jinx, please still be with us!
the only thing i can think of about the enema is, is that with enemas like that, they can sometimes stay in the colon, rather than come out and cause a redistribution of toxins.
coffee enemas are the only ones i do because they work so well, everything seems to be expelled with better results.
Luv Dawn

Jinx, have you tried grapefruit seed extract? I suggest you try it. Start out very slow though, perhaps just 3 drops in 8 ounces of water two or 3 times a day(stir it well). Gradually increase the dosage to perhaps 6 drops in 8 ounces of water 5 or 6 times a day.

Many say that garlic and eggs should be avoided, however I think they should be included in the diet. Imo so should tofu and plain lowfat unsweetened yogurt. These are good easy to digest lower carb sources of protein, vitamins and minerals. Others may say that broccoli and carrots should also be avoided, however I think they should be eaten. Nuts(not peanuts. Peanuts are really legumes and not nuts) are also a good source of calories, protein, magnesium, and zinc and are great for a low carb diet.

Why are you trying to start an argument? their is no need to call me a loser when I am trying to help.

anon, please leave jinx alone, you know nothing about what he is going through and its annoying!

Anon, I know you are trying to help, but I think you need to listen to what people are saying here. It will help you when you are working with people who have similar problems, if that is what you are planning to do.

Depression can indeed be caused by the way a person reacts to their circumstances. That is very true. They can be stuck in negative ways of thinking, and negative assumptions which are not based on objective facts. And people can create their own anxiety with excessive worrying, this is also true.

However, this is where a lot of therapists draw a line, and what people here are telling you is that sometimes a person simply has no control over these problems because the root cause is physiological rather than psychological. This, too, is very real. I think maybe you have not experienced the phenomenon yourself -- lucky you LOL. But sometimes depression strikes a person for no apparent reason, though they may be quite a positive person with no real troubles in their life. And anxiety can come out of nowhere too. Believe me, I've heard it all myself. I need to "lighten up." I need to look on the bright side (I often do). I make too much of my own problems, I'm a hypochondriac. If I learned how to relax at night I wouldn't feel anxious. (I do relax, I do not sit here worrying. The anxiety comes and goes and has no dependence on what I am thinking at the time.) Can you see why people are getting so angry at being told that if they just sort their heads out, they will find these problems will go away. It often isn't that simple.

I would ask you to have a look at other threads here. Look at what people are doing to make themselves better, and the advice they are giving each other. Diet and supplements can go a long way toward healing depression and anxiety that are otherwise intractable. Many people are here because they believe that mercury poisoning is also playing a part. These things can all have a huge effect on how the body, and the brain, function.

I would urge you to look into this before you become one of the therapists who, when no progress is being made, decide that a) the person is being uncooperative or doesn't really want to get better, or b) needs drugs.

Regards,
Linda.

An excellent post Linda. This is the kind of response which is unjudgemental, factual,and sympathetic. You are totally right, when you say, if we are poisoned we have now control over our feelings. I think this was the biggest shock to me, cos before the illnees struck over night, I was a totally different person, now just physically, but emotionally to. That was the biggest shock to me and I hate it. Its just like when you have the PMT angers and you know your snappy and irritable but just can't help it. Thats what it feels like, you truly can't control these things. It's a really vile illness and for us poor mothers, especially of young chidren, very tough. Then when other family problems come it feels like you just can't deal with them. Tracy xx

I think most people on this forum have already exhausted the psychiatry areas due to doctors deciding that it is all in our head. And yes, this toxicity is not about making yourself "be happy", it is mainly about staying alive for a lot of people. Getting through a day is actually a huge achievement much of the time.

That alone is actually a triumph for many. Hard to imagine unless you have it that badly.

Yes, I find it helps to remember that "this is not me." My husband hasn't seem "me" for 3 years and my daughter barely knows "me." I want her to have a mummy who is not tired and irritable, struggling to play or do much of anything. And she will. At the moment, well, you guys said it. Just getting through, day to day. I find it's almost impossible to explain to people who haven't been through it.

hi veggiejuicer: you had mentioned that lemon juice /water enima .according to cutlers book he mentions to avoid lemonjuice or olive oil liver cleanses because the liver is very weak from the mercury and can overstress the liver ,in the enima form it's pssilble that it has done the same thing or another possibility is that the lemon juice had some how during it attempt to detox the liver tapped into a pocket of mercury from the liver and distibuted it into the blood stream ,I do know that lemon juice is a powerfull liver cleanser according to some herbalists that I have talked to in the past i would probably stay away from any type of liver or kidney cleanses untill the body starts to feel much stronger and can handle it

If you are sensitive I recomend a homeopathic liver detox - this is the only type I could remotely handle.

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jinx: do you still have amalgams in? have you tried the cutler protocol chelation with dmsa ?

two amaglams, can't chelate, taking them out will mess me up, no biological denstists here, I'm so f**ked up now because of two amalgam removal 10 months ago.

worse day after day, everything's so clouded, judgement , you people don't wanna believe but I am going insane, god, why is this happening to me!?!?!? I WANT MY LIFER BACK!!!!!!!

Jinx, i believe you,i was there,if there is anybody here that doesnt believe you,then they havnt been where you are and where i was. It takes people differently. I know you are going through hell,i thought i was posessed by the devil, i could do nothing for my 2 precious children who had to grow up fast. It wasnt about me pulling myself together, i simply couldnt , it was totally impossible.

dawn I just can't think anymore... AT ALL, god I need some help, some miracle now, I'm approaching the end !!!!!!!!!

Jinx, i remember laying in bed unable to think or feel anything, but actually screamng inside, it was strange, i dont want to go back there.
I sometimes used to wander from my bed,walking slowly and unsteady to the sitting room where my boyfriend was and saying HELP ME PLEASE. He could do nothing though.
I know where your coming from, the only thing that helped me was sorting my homones out which i guess mercury messed right up. i did have a rollercoaster ride where i could get a good day here and there.
Luv Dawn.

Oh boy Dawn, I've been there. It's awful isn't it.

Jinx, it sounds like your amalgams are giving you terrible trouble. I don't know how this can be addressed while they are in, because you can't chelate. Maybe you just need to get them out, and then work on putting things back together and healing. What other option do you have? It sounds like you are having trouble carrying on as you are. Not everyone here who has got better, has been to a biological dentist. Why don't you ring around and find out if there is anyone who will give you supplemental air and take some other precautions. I bet there must be some dentists in Poland who are at least willing to entertain the idea that mercury could be dangerous.

Do you have a doctor who could help you chelate afterwards, maybe test your mercury levels? if not, could you find one?

I know it must be hard to think about these things in the state you are in. I do think you need to act, because you could get a lot of sympathy here (including mine), but that isn't going to help you get better.

Do any of these things sound like possibilities?

when you are very sensitive you need to do homeopathics - the amalgams can stay in until your stronger, much stronger

get in a plane and see Dinas Homeopathy Clinic in Vancouver - he is the one who revitalized me, I was in bad bad shape

oh yeah, just let me withdraw the couple of thousand dolars I have in my bank accout, and I'm on my way.

and already am on homepathics.

linda- no.

Thats the problem, when your too unwell to work,where do you get the money to get better. I chose a cheap dentist cos i couldnt work, there was not enough protection, only a dam,
i became more ill than i was before,now i cant step foot inside a dental office. I was lucky, my mum lent me some
money and i got a couple of interest free loans,im still in debt now, still cant work either.

Jinx, can you try this place here -
http://www.jigsawhealth.org/

Supposedly they help people finance their amalgam removals....maybe worth a shot if you get around to trying.

It's hard to do a thing when you're this ill, even if you have "plans", day after day you feel too sick often to move and one day drifts into another.

I wish there was a way of reliving your symptoms in the meantime, and you said you had already tried algin etc, so it makes it hard to know what else to suggest, other than this place that may help you pay for the filling removal.

Certainly chelation has not seemed to have proven very helpful to you and we know there is always a risk when you still have amalgams.

thax bex, but how would I get the money to travel to the states, even if they financed it? it's worthless, but thanx anyway.

What is technically possible for you to do Jinx? Can you not find a dentist where you are who will take some precautions if you ask? You might start feeling better if you could chelate. Have you seen a doctor or had any tests done?

beggie I'm already scheduled to have the fillings removed (septemeber:/) and precautions I can get is suction/ cold water, rubber dam had all of those in october but plummeted severely into this state after that exposure. Now I think I might get a fan blowing at me to suply with fresh air and blow away the vapour, doin't know if it would work, plus perhaps the slow drill that cutler reccommends.
But that exposure from 10 months ago has severely CRIPPLED ME, the exposure I would get now would be half of that and would surely send me over the edge, and make me completely crazy and I couldn't even make it with chelation.

I've been to a doc and he tested me with kinesiology and found I had heavy metals, candida plus other issues, gave me homepathics but they're not helping at all. each time I take a homeopathic for candida, and the die off occurs my brain is permanently worse.

jinx, dude, u may have read what happened to me i dunno, my experience, don't get fillings put in. don't get fillings drilled out. i had 4 out, its been 7 months, and if i were any sicker i would be on the street or nursing home. dentist i used for 4 fillings cost 10,000$ and has worked mostly biological for 20 YEARS. i don't know wat the answer is for u, or i'd tell myself for me then u. but please be careful with your next move. love to you

It is NORMAL to get worse after amalgam removal - i certainly did and I know others who did. This is because the body starts releasing its load of mercury: mobile mercury = feel worse than you did when it was locked away in your organs slowly making you sick.

I had my amalgams out a year and a month ago, and I can honestly say that it is only in the last month that I have started to feel better, and I have done 15 rounds of chelation with DMSA. At 7 months post-removal you are in the worst phase - the organ dump - I felt very ill and desperate at this point. You may not get any relief until 12 months or more post removal - but it does come. I don't know if you have the Amalgam Illness book by Cutler, but he explains this clearly with a chart. All you can do is chelate, nourish your body properly, and wait.

Jinx - I know this is delicate, but I do believe you have to push on with amalgam removal in order to move forward. You will not get better as you are. It's like you've got to go backwards in order to go forwards. I understand that this is frightening, but staying as you are permanently is surely worse?

My 2 cents

Nicola

I dont want to hear anymore of this

I have said start with your liver and gall bladder for 3 months with a homeopathic remedy if you are sensitive. Also try some 200c magnesia muriatica

Do Dr Schussler bio salts - get the combined 12 combination

Or if you want to be precise to see if there is an organ issue - do a quantum biofeedback test and live blood microscopy, but take mostly homeopathic, its more gentle and deeper acting, and great remedies for psycological probs

Just who are you Anon, and what do you think gives you the right to talk to Jinx that way? OK, you offered your best advice, same as the rest of us. Are you qualified in any way to claim that you've got the answers and that the rest of us are barking up the wrong tree?

thanx veggie.

anon I appreciate your advise as much as any, and take it under consideration, but you may as well take a hike with your rude attitude if you're gonna play it like that.

nicola - I know, that's why I'm already scheduled to do it, yet my worsening after the last one was HORRIBLE, I could have never imagined I would be that bad after an amalgam removal and just 2, total disaster! I'm in a tragic point I guess, I'm scared to shiiit with any next amalgam removal.

benza- please register or login, I would like to PM, I think our stories are very similair in a way.

Jinx is gonna make it, cos he knows he's gonna stick to his agreement and I'm looking forward to my holiday in Poland. I reckon Jinx's brain is having a bit of a rest for now. Lucky bugger, wouldn't we mums like to do the same. Jinx you know you aint going anywhere. None of us will let you. We may be ill but wer're a tough bunch and that's it in a nutshell no you ai'nt going. Tracy

Im afraid this forum means no one can make it. if getting your fillings out poses a risk for everyone even doing the correct safety procedures what hope do people have? and if having amalgams in are causing problems than what can one do? I may as well just kill myself or the person who put amalgams in my teeth

It may not be the whole picture as some very helpful people pointed out to me, may be only part of your problem. As Ive said to others dont know what your financial status is but if you can get to a private hospital like the Breakespeare in London they will look into everything for you until you find out exactly whats gone wrongin your body and help you. Dont want to sound like broken record and I know Im lucky that I could just about afford it but sometimes you cant do it by yourself and need some backing someone to help you sort it all out sorry if thats no help but it has helped me cos I cant do it alone and its a comfort knowing someone medical is helping you Love Tracy

Whoa Ross, what a downer. There is a thread here where people have been posting their success stories. And look at what happened to Russ and Laura. Don't lose hope. You too Jinx <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Sometimes the road to healing is long and convoluted, but it does get there. Before I came here I'd been through 3 years of thinking I had SAD and that light therapy would make me better; thinking a few changes to my diet would make me better; trying antidepressants and getting burned by those; thinking improved diet and supplements would make me better. Now I'm hoping amalgam removal and chelation will help, though I know this may not be the whole picture either. My depression could quite possibly stem from life circumstances, which I am working on changing. It was hell going through all that and feeling awful most of the time, but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now and I am amazed at how much I've learned from it all. Each step seems to have been necessary in some way for the next.

It's hard work, and it is just awful when you are stuck in the middle of it. But you will get there. Focus on making the right choices for this moment, one step at a time.

Linda.

Ross I echo your feelings as well. It does indeed seem many are damned if they do and damned if they dont. This is the problem with mercury. If it just caused allergic reactions, rather than toxicity and accumulation, the removal of the amalgam would result in possibly almost immediate improvements.

But because there is so much more to this, with far greater exposure to mercury during the removal, the stored mercury which now needs to come out etc. Once people have their last amalgams out, often their body attempst to then begin to excrete the storage.

This can result in "repoisoning" because you're now having to deal with years of build up. This does not happen to everybody it would seem. But often it does and people need to know this because nobody told me what it was and I was left wondering what was going on.. I had the "sense' that this was happening becuase of the eruptions (crying and salivating etc), but still did not know and spent I think 2-3 years or so having to go through that to clear the stored mercury. I did not chelate early on, if I had, I would have sped up that time period FAR more. I did later and of coures, hard as it was, it forced more mercury out and enabled some healing to take place.

It would be great if it was clear cut. My problems now are different from the mercury poisoning and for me they are worse. So I went from one disaster to another (right after I had just improved from years of mercury toxicity) .....so that was really something and I haven't come right since.

At any rate, as far as the mercury goes? Yes you can recover from this but it is not easy or fast.

I eat lots of fresh greens if I feel real real bad. It always helps. Should be some local farmers selling stuff nearby this time of year.

shiit, guys would u believe I'm getting worse... staring to lose conscioussness.... time to say goodbye is approaching... love you all people.

Jinx and the rest of you fighting with mercury, we will make it!

I have been through the worst of it, hospitilized a few times, sent home, seen x number of regular doctors, told I was fine and sent home again... Russ posted my story so I will not dwell on the past much in this post.

Here I am 2 and a half years later after first having experienced mercury poisoning. I can say the good news is, there were many days, even weeks where I have almost forgotten about it. I say almost because the horror of going through it cannot really ever be forgotten.

However, I am now back in the detox cycle where I have been stuck the majority of the summer. I have a few good days, then bad days...as the circle goes..I get more tired and less ready to fight it every time the symptoms come back. It just wears on you, doesn't it? I don't know whether I was somehow re-exposed to it or if it's just the body's natural reaction to get the rest of it out while I am off work...The funny thing is that when I work I feel better, generally, and since I've been on a summer vacation I have felt worse most days. So maybe it's just that my body can finally let go and detox. I think the hot summer temperatures we had in Europe also didn't help.

Anyways, not to go on, I would actually like to offer a few words of advice, so that when once again we have to face it, we can be strong enough. It is a game of endurance after all, like Russ says. I look at it as a battle, but feel at times a very weak opponent, and how could I not be against something as treaky as mercury?? It fights and destroys us in so many ways. When I am having a bad detox day it's like a cold winter day and I cannot imagine what it feels like to sit in the warm comfortable sun again. It just takes control of your mind.

Here are a few things that have made me feel better over a period of time, and i hope that time is coming again.

For those of you that do not have money, this can be tricky, because I have found that good health actually costs...But I hope that you can find a way because it will be worth it.

First of all, diet is very important, also if you have time please look into macrobiotic diet, it has made a big change in my life, gives energy etc. I do eat meat however. A good dairy, sugar free diet including power foods like grains, shitake mushrooms and many other japanese products will give you the energy to fight when the time comes. Also, I strongly encourage buying reishi mushroom, also known as ganoderma and can be used for making tea. It is a strong anticancerogen and serves many other benefits to our fragile health. In Europe all of these products can be purchased in health food stores which are popping up on every corner.

Also, it would be beneficial to find someone who specializes in acupuncture and through this practise you will improve your organ function and get your energy levels up. Along with the good diet you will have a good start. Drink lots of herbal teas and hot water whenever you can. Meditate and/or pray for good health when your mind allows it.

As far as the supplements, I take algin, vitamin c, magnesium, calcium, Q10, vitamin e/selenium. I do not take all of the supplements all the time, but take breaks as I feel I should.

I also get aqua detox foot treatments which seem to help.

On the days where fear and anxiety is uncontollable and where I have too said the words to my husband looking desperately "please, help me!" I take a mild sedative to keep my sanity and get some sleep. Otherwise I feel like I would pull all of my hear out as my body keeps twitching in agony. It must be a bad scene to watch, but it's much worse living it, as most of you know from experience.

So, no big words of wisdom, but some of encouragment, God knows we all need it here. Keep your chin up! If anyone is ever passing Belgrade, I have an excellent acupunturist to recommend, he has cured many people and I regularly see him about once a month.

Take care.
Nina

Jinx are you still there, if so know that we are praying for you.

best love,
Sandi
xoxo

yes I am, thank you very much sandi it means very much to me, all you know your input means very much to me, I am barely holding on and worse every day, I would like to write here more but my brain is so weak, I dont understand the posts people write here anymore. this thing is so evil, but thank you for being here.

I can't feel my brain, damn it.... it's all f**king falling apart.

What about a multi glandular, supporting pituitary and adrenal?

http://www.elixirs.com/products.cfm?productcode=S160

Here is a basic mechanism of what happens: Mercury binds to the pituitary and lessens its ACTH and TSH production. The adrenals receive less ACTH and produce less cortisol as a result. The thyroid receives less TSH and produces less thyroid hormones as a result. Cortisol and thyroid hormones in general tell your body to use energy, and I stress that. The less of these hormones you have the less energy you use and the more sluggish your body and mind are. A sluggish body includes "strange heart beats", constipation, and intolerance to exercise. A sluggish mind includes brain fog, poor memory, and negative emotions
that include anxiety, negativity, etc.

Its great your looking into those glandulars. Make sure to get something with pituitary in it.
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Dr Huggins says candida is there to save your life. Bacteria methalates mercury(which is 100 times more lethal than the mercury from amalgams) then candida grabs onto the methlymercury and converts it back.

I went on a strict candida diet 5 months ago and ended up in the ER by the 7thday. I had killed so much candida that the mercury went straight to my brain and really caused horrible side affects. By the 10th day on the diet is when I found Dr Huggins web site, via this web site, and read the FAQ and number 23 talked about candida. You can see the site by typing in hugnet.com. I had all of my amalgams out last April and have slowly gotten a little better. My brain function is so much better, I can read and write again but driving a car is still out of my ability. My body still feels sick.

jinx.. were you the one who did intensive DMPS recently? every time i had one of those infusions, it made me incredibly sick and i only had 7mg's and the treatment if your serious about it is supposed to be between 100-250mg.my body definately tells me not to use that. i hope to eventually be able to use dmsa. it got my dads lead levels down by 3/4 over 4 months. zeolites reduced both our mercury hair analysis levels over 2 months, and he improved but i did not feel better.

Benza, have you tried DMSA, it is supposed to be much easier on us than the DMPS. I used 100mg every third day and was doing so well, I felt wonderful.

Best luck,
Sandi
xoxo

dmsa every other day is dangerous.. some get away with it - many do not. its not the dmps or the dmsa that is dangerous its the way you use it.

join this group and learn how to use dmsa/dmps.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/

Anon, I totally agree. Yes, there are people who get away with taking DMSA this way, but plenty do not and have been badly harmed by this method or other ones. I could not even take ONE capsule of 50 mg of DMSA without horrific symptoms that would leave me devastated for weeks on end.

But once I started taking 50 mg every 4 hours? This did not occur. Becuase it kept the amount of DMSA at a consistant level in the blood and lessened the erratic movement of mercury and kept things safer and more effective. So I was able to chelate and keep going.

A one off dose of DMSA or one that is taken less often than every 4 hours usually leads to a bouncing around of mercury because there is not enough DMSA left over in the blood to continue to grab the mercury that has just been moved out.

Again, some people still do ok on that method regardless. One guy I spoke to on email used 100 mg of DMSA each day (not the four hourly method) and has healed from mercury toxicity. So some can do it. But you'll soon find out if you can or not and I wonder is it worth the risk? ONe lady was flat on her back from one 50 mg cap of DMSA for weeks on end. She didn't know of the cutler method and that's how she spent much of her time detoxing, in great agony. But if there is a way of doing this without so much pain or risk? Then why not do that? The inconvenience of waking up to take the every 4 hourly dose is cancelled out by reducing side effects and being able to chelate much more mercury at the sametime.

I appreciate the advice you've been giving here Bex. I've been taking the DMSA as you've described, round the clock every 4 hours, 3 days on and 3 days off. I wouldn't have considered gambling with doing it any other way, and thanks to you I never had to go through that. 12.5mg was enough for a start; I daren't think what would have happened if I'd done something like taking 50mg as a one-off. It's strong stuff.

I'm having 25mg each of DMSA and ALA this round and seem to be doing fine. Just started the ALA. I felt it might be the right time so I thought I'd try it. It does seem to be clearing my head a bit. All of this is gradual, a bit at a time, nothing dramatic. But I really do think it's helping.

Linda.

Hi Linda, it is a pleasure to pass something like that onto others, but moreso to hear if it's helping. I was lucky enough I had the same advice given to me and if I had not? I HATE to imagine. I had been previously taking all sorts of concoctions to eliminate mercury and the symptoms I got from this were INSANE. I mean absolutely screaming, ranting, salivating uncontrollably and almost banging my head against a wall. All that agony to clear some mercury and I thought this was the only way i could do it, and I put myself through so much needless suffering which also impacted those around me. I just cringe when I think back. until Cutler's protocol and then I realised I could do this without becoming a complete basket case in the process.

Admittedly I did not find his a walk in the park either, but rather it gave me symptoms that were at least somewhat tolerable and more stable. The symptoms I got from his were more like feeling hyped up OR slowed down and grotty. Didn't know which way it might go. Depression would worsen sometimes, or lessen other times or heightened anxiety or simply feeling revolting as the toxins were being shifted out. Sometimes I didn't know whether it was helping or not, but over time you start to notice "something" changing. Some people actually have noticed improvements very quickly and are surprised by it. I think DMSA is FAR more powerful than it's given credit for with mercury and just as you stated with the dose, that is evident enough that it has to be started so low because of it's affinity with mercury.

And I have just been reading elsewhere that the classic starting dose now for DMSA is 12.5 mg. So this must be the dose that is working for most people when they start. So in future I won't be talking about 25 mg to start.

And you are a prime example that the dose must be a pretty good one to begin with. I'm impressed that you are now starting on 25 mg of both DMSA and ALA. That is great! I hope that this will heal you of these maladies.

Thing is, Andy says that you can begin to feel cured on this at some point but he said do NOT stop when you reach this stage. There comes a time when the chelating agents actually start keeping you well because they have chelated enough mercury out of you to give that sensation, but unfortunately there is usually still stored mercury waiting to come to the surface. So many people stop it prematurely and dont realise this and once they stop, after time the still remaining mercury begins to start leaking out and filling them back up and making them feel ill again.

So if you do start feeling "cured", you might want to keep on for another half a year or more to make sure you got the rest of it.