btw, my kidneys feel better after a couple days of cider vinegar with water 2-3 time a day.

the aching kidneys are not from chelating, the chelating has helped me a lot. When the dentist poisoned me over the winter my kidneys felt like they were going to explode, literally. I could literally feel them both all swelled up like huge kindey beans in my back. It's one of the main reasons I had to find a doctor.