I have made the most amazing discovery concerning headaches which have bothered me off and on for years, once a month or so getting real bad for a few days.

I started chelating (EDTA IV), I have mercury, lead problems, a buldup of many years of bad dentistry and simply living in this polluted environment. Before the EDTA I was self treating with chlorella, garlic and cilantro. I noticed, after being tested for and verifying the metals, merc especially, that when I ate garlic for instance I would get a headache. Cilantro, I would get a headache. After EDTA, getting a headache... so 2+ 2 equals mercury mobilized and hurting my head... my Dr gave some oral DMSA to pick up extra metals after the EDTA and in between... now, when I feel a headache coming on, instead of staying away from the garlic and cilantro (which is actually good for me with the metakl problem), I take extra doses of chlorella, garlic and more cilantro to really get it going and a few DMSA tabs, mine are weak, only about 25mg each, and guess what, no trace of headache within about an hour and it does not reappear the next day. So for me, the headache symptom is my warning to bind the metals asap and it has been working real well.

anyone else also experienced this?

sosick, I'm amazed you are able to take all those things, especially since you still have amalgams. Many of the things you mention can make people much worse, even without amalgams. Because they serve mainly as mobilisers and can stir mercury up wildly. I've heard of people become almost totally debilitated by using some of those things (even without amalgams). Garlic, chlorella, cilantro, MSM, etc are examples of what can really cause problems. Because they are high sulfur (aside from cilantro). Some people do ok on high sulfur, others can be hurt badly by it. But again, it is usually recommended to never use any mercury mobiliser until you're free of amalgams.

This is because they can encourage further uptake of mercury from amalgams and then from there stir it around. Once the amalgams are removed, even then, it is usually suggested to do things very carefully and safely. One such safer protocol is one suggested by biochemist Andrew Hall Cutler. He strongly advises against many of the products you are taking, due to what he's seen in many people who have used them. DMSA he does recommend, but only after amalgams are out and then it must be taken every 4 hours around the clock for a few days straight, to keep blood levels even, so enabling safer and more consistant mercury removal. The inconsistant mobilising can cause further damage by bouncing mercury around and from there it can go into nervous system, brain, anywhere.

Cilantro is supposed to clear brain/nervous system mercury, but if the body / blood mercury is still high, it can shunt more mercury into the brain in the process. The key is apparently to remove amalgams, then use a chelating agent that does not pass over the blood brain barrier, but will clear the blood burden of mercury first (e.g. DMSA, or allowing the body to drain the blood naturally by itself which is FAR slower) Then later it is safe to use a product that can clear brain mercury (e.g. alpha lipoic acid, taken the same way as DMSA or more often) AGain he only recommends frequent safe dosing to keep blood levels even to avoid redistribution of mercury.

Some people seem to do ok whatever chelation they use, but many do not and can end up far worse for it.

The only thing he recommends whilst a person stil has amalgams is supportive supplements and treating candida and avoiding bad dietry habits and allergens like gluten.

Russ recommends people use algin even with amalgams as this serves mainly to help mop some mercury and can help with symptoms. He recommends vitamin E and selenium and I think vitamin C. But that is it until amalgams are completely removed.

Keeping in mind I am getting the EDTA... really, I was so sick and this is working. I think the DMSA and the EDTA together bind the stuff so tight, you pee it out, keep the bowels regular... several weeks ago I was too sick to even consider removing the amalgams and now at least I am up and about daily. The half prepped crown in my mouth appears to literallly be leeching mercury, I watch it's color change... I have to take all that stuff to move the mercury out rather than let it settle or end up with kidney damage or who knows what else. I had an appt for March 6 with a dentist who does removal and is quite good from what I hear, but I was too sick to go in and had to cancel. I was afraid to get another enormous dose. So now I may have to wait until mid May unless I can get an emergency appt before then, I am working on that.

According to my doctor, it is safe to go ahead to get the metal out of my system prior to amalgam removal. I have read that DMPS is NOT safe to use while you still have amalgams but the EDTA and DMSA are ok. The chlorella should be used by anyone who has amalgams and prior to beginning removal to lower toxicity in the body.

Maybe it's because I was so healthy prior to this, aside from some headaches now and then. The DMSA is also quite good and I feel wonderful in the morning when I take that the night before so obviously it is working, at least for me. It doesn't make sense to me to let the stuff settle in, no I will go after it agressively.

Maybe it's a state of mind who knows, but I am not going to let this keep me down. I'd rather clean out my body even with the amalgams still there rather than accumulate more, which could kill me I swear I felt like that before I started the heavy duty chelating. I was ready to write my last will. I am past that, this hellps enormously.

I have always eaten lots of garlic btw, and grow cilantro in the garden. Never knew it was chelating me or to how bind metals with the chlorella though... learned that on the internet, curezone I think. It was rough at first but I had to do something,, I really thought I was dying. I no longer think I am dying, mostly I fear long term health problems or cancer so I will continue unloading.

I am using the alpha lipoic acid, selenium, Vitamin E, CoQ10, and a very nutrituious diet to protect myslef, it is working.

I also smoke a little bit, and maybe that helps, read here somewhere about higher gluthiaone with smokers.

The ginger beer is real good too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

my headaches have never respnded to aspirin, well now I know why, they sure do respond to cilantro and DMSA.

I did a lot of research, I maybe just have a good combo of things going.

Well it seems to work well for you and yu should keep doing what you're doing. I guess everybody is so different that nobody can predict how they will react. I personally think all of it is touch and go and a lot of working in the dark as nobody has hit on the perfect protocol for every person. Sometimes one thing has worked for me and another time it's been terrible. I never know what is going to do what.

andrew's protocol tends to be the most stable for me and for many others too, but it may not be for everybody. Russ on here used chlorella I think and many other things and he got completely well.

Well, whatever your doctor is suggesting, obviously it's working! Some allow chelation with amalgams, others warn against it. The thing is, as you said, you are better than you were, so that tells me something. Diet is seriously important too. Without it, I'd be a bigger mess than I am now.

I really hope you can get the amalgams out finally and something at least remotely safe in replacement. Also, being mercury toxic, makes a person very reactive, so some react to the composites because they are still highly poisoned with mercury. They usually find once they detox, the composites can end up not being an issue. It's because they now have a combination of mercury still in their tissues/organs, but a new material in their teeth on top of it. So that's why it's wise to keep up chelating the mercury so that your immunity has less to react to.

That's the sad thing about mercury, you find you react to almost anything. Though some may seriously be reactive with composites and may certainly need to find an alternative, it is very difficult to find anything that is entirely ok. That's why I've had to just had to finally go with cerec and hope it'll work. I don't know if my composites are harming me or not, they may not be at all, could be other issues. But I figure since some need replacing anyway (being old now), I might as well get something else and see.

I doubt it will do a thing, but here's hoping.

But yeah, what you're doing is astounding combination and heck obviously your body is responding well. Also, much of what you are taking does have massive nutrient value, plus the lipoic acid, selenium, etc heightens glutathione levels! So you're increasing that regardless of smoking! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> It's just the mercury mobilising that can cause big issues in some, but again it's individual to how people will respond.

Some do great on those things, others do not. You obviously are doing extremely well under the circumstances and yes perhaps because you were healthy before this, your body maybe quite strong aside from the toxicity! Keep up the good work. May it turn out well for you.

This is important and I don't think I mentioned it, you have to do things in order or you will feel lousy with this. Let's say you are going to do a round of chelating in the evening for instance. You want to start with an almost empty stomach, 3-4 hrs after a meal.

9pm - choleralla, 1 or 2 teaspoons powder, most important, you must have chlorella. you can mix it with a little pysllium to make sure it doesn't get stuck in your bowel if mercury binds to it (mercury will cause sludge and you will get consutipated, the fiiber is also important to avoid reabsorption).

9:30 - eat 1 or 2 cloves of garlic and a good handful of fresh cilantro. Maybe take an alpha lipoic acid (you should have taken Vitamin C and Vit E, CoQ10 etc earlier with your meal, do not take those now, do not take calcium with a meal prior to this, some zinc, not too much, with your meal is ok with this method, no other minerals though till tomorrow)

9:45 - 2 (25m ea) tabs of DMSA. Do not wait longer than 15-20 minutes after the cilantro/garlic to take the DMSA. You might want to take more DMSA (and everything else) if you are real big. I am a normal slim weight 5'9", under 140lbs. Drink about 10 oz water.

10:30 - maybe consider a cup of Natural Calm magnesium citrate, and shortly afterwards or without the magnesium, take another DMSA or two.

No eating, go to sleep.

Have a very goodnight and relieve yourself in the morning, enjoy the day.

I need to post my smoothie formula for you, I recalcify mostly with whey, cottage cheese and goat milk powder. I posted it in in another thread, I think to Tracy.

I will be doing this tonight, have a wonderful evening!

I was wondering about that with composites. But when they did put a temp crown on the prepped tooth I developed an ulcer on the gum right there within 24 hrs, and 24 hrs after the removed that temp which was loaded with resin, the ulcer went away. so i don't know. I have my worries about plastics. Cerec uses a plastic adhesive.

Here is info about plastic allergies, no my skin does not look that that but I don't want it to either:

http://members.cox.net/llyee/ncs_overview/overview_neuro-cutaneous_syndrome_revA.html

http://www.drcarolyncollection.com/images/risk_USFDA_Fingernails.pdf

In this article about artificial fingernails, take note, that the product cautions stated as follows:
'The ingredient now is rarely used because of legal action against a former manufacturer of methyl methacrylate-containing products and numerous seizures and recalls of such products. Methyl methacrylate has since been replaced with other chemicals, such as ethyl methacrylate. However, according to John Bailey, Ph.D., acting director of FDA's Office of Cosmetics and Colors, the
replacement chemicals have never been fully studied for safety, and they may be
as harmful as methyl methacrylate.'

- should also be applied to dental materials since they are one and the same, and dentists aren't telling you about this. Methacrylate is the primary resin used in dental plastics and adhesives and lots of people react to it.



g'night!

I don't know Bex, your words concerning chelating while still with amalgams in concerned me a bit.. I spoke this morning with a friend, I will not mention names here, but he describes himself at his website as 'with extensive graduate and post graduate studies in the field of nutrition and biochemistry. His education includes an undergraduate degree in Biological Science and Chemistry from Florida State University. He has also completed a second undergraduate degree in Psychology and Exercise Physiology, a Masters degree in Business Administration, and a Doctorate degree in Science.'... and then I went this afternon to see a well known and respected biological dentist who just happens to be an old old friend of a very good friend of mine, and then of course, my integrative med dr, whose background reads 'certified by the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology, American Board of Medical Management, American Board of Chelation Therapy, American Board of Oxidative Medicine and qualified by the American Board of Public Health and Preventive Medicine, and American Board of Environmental Medicine. He is a member of the American College for the Advancement of Medicine, International College of Integrative Medicine, American Public Health Association, American Society of Bariatric Physicians, and International Bio-Oxidative Medicine Association among others. He has published numerous articles and presented to a number of professional societies, as well as public forums'... al well known and respected people in in the healthcare field and all very well versed in mercury/amalgam toxicity... and they all say the same thing to me, which is CHELATE NOW!!!!

One of them even gave me some DMSA tabs he says work better.

Hi sosick, well there seems to be opinions on this on both sides of the fence. I myself am undecided. Not sure. I know my dentist here in my country only ever allows the use of NDF for a chelating agent whilst people have amalgams, as he has studied extensively and seems to feel this is ok to use before, during and after amalgam removal.

He actually does this to help prepare the patient for the removal, to get their body to begin detoxing already. The NDF apparently does not cause problems with amalgams still in. However, he does not allow other chelating agents. He will allow vitamin C, selenium, and a multi that has plenty in it that increases glutathione etc, plus the NDF and supportive homeopathic drainage, but that's about it (digestive enzymes too), plus the candida diet.

Tha'ts pretty much what he does. But really I do not know what is best. But it seems things are working for you and if that is helping and at least sustaining you on some level, then you should probably keep it up. It may allow you to get strong enough for amalgam removal too.

There is a lady who deals in candida online (and all aspects of health) who believes that her diet alone and the fats she advises people consume are enough to naturally chelate heavy metals out. She is quite adamant about it and it seems people are getting some very good results. She does recommend supplements also to aid in that. Maybe she is right to a point because if the body gets what it needs and is able to eliminate easier and rebuild and repair tissue, then perhaps it does dump more toxins and metals in the process, on top of healing at the sametime.

HOwever, I don't know if it is always enough for the more poisoned. Usually they find they need to do more than that. But I think she has a point and I do think her diet is excellent. Here is an article on her website about this -
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/mn16.php

I agree with her.

But I actually got poisoned rather heavy duty and it's chelate or die.

Most sincerely... let me try to describe it to you... one day you are strong and healthy... very strong... you go to the gym and lift weigjhts even... and then a week later you feel like you are truly dying... your arms your legs are weak as can be... your neck very very stiff... your ears are ringing very high pitched noises... strange sharp pains in remote regions of your body... you suddenly have the arthritis of an 80 yr old... your kidneys feel like they are about to explode... what do you do? Personally... laying there and feeling like that... feeling my heart beating very slowly... because my heart is also a mucsle... feeling my system shutting down... do you lay there or do you chelate?

Choose one. That's the choice I had to make. This was not a chelate for fun occasion.

It's ok, I know what it's like. I've been poisoned for 20 years of my life. So yes it is either chelate or remain that way. Yes the diet is crucial I believe to heal or sustain any healing, but the diet is not enough for those badly poisoned (I don't think it is). And I didn't have any choice, as you don't either. Chelation has to be done, or most of the deeply stored mercury will remain. So yes, I agree with you.

Yesterday, at the dr's office, they gave me a round of EDTA, followed by an injection through the IV of DMPS, then I cam home and downed a couple of the DMSA capsules... avery intense chelate day... and later in the evening after dinner, while I was here typing to you... I was eating cod liver oil, drinking vitamin/mineral packed smoothies, downing fiber with a bit of chlorella mixed in... and then this morning another big vitamin/mineral smoothie...

and I am happy to report... I FEEL EXCELLENT!!

My head feels better this morn that it has on a long time! Very clear. Chelating is important, move the junk out yes, but nutrients are also key I am quite sure.

my god Sosick you amaze me I think you are very brave I know you say its that or die and to be honest Im beginning to feel the same I just want this crap out of me now going from being as strong as an ox to near deaths door still feel like that I read your posts and although Ive been warned not to do it sometimes I think what the hell Tracy