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From Hesham El-Essawy.
Oops! I forgot to tell you, SoSick that I am a scholar of the bible too. In fact I just started on a book called “El-Essawy’s Biography of Jesus”. If you wish me to give you some input, please read on, otherwise, please turn away. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Allow me to look critically at what you have written here and discuss it scholarly. I will write my comments preceded with a litle dash underneath your comments, which I placed between quotation marks.
“I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.”
-So do I, and that is what makes me a Muslim.
“I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.”
-I believe that Jesus was a most honourable messenger of God, he said so, and that also makes me a Muslim. But let me ask you, did Jesus create the universe? If he did not, which is obvious as he himself was created as you say, then he could not have been the Father, the first. And if the Father was not a father before He had a son (which is obvious) then The Father has changed His condition, and true God is eternal, and that means that he does not change.
"He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary."
-I believe in that too, the holy ghost is the archangel Gabriel and Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus, and he,Jesus spoke to his family immediately after birth to announce himself and to defend his mother from the obvious allegations.
"He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried."
-I believe that he did not die at all. how can you say that Jesus was God the Almighty then say that he died on the cross? the almighty who dies is not an almighty. and if you are saying that Jesus was not the Almighty, then, here you are, you said it! "He descended to the dead. On the third day he rose again."
-count from friday evening to sunday morning sir, they are only two nights and a day! obvious, is it not?
"He ascended into heaven"
-yes he did. "and is seated at the right hand of the Father"
-but if Jesus was God who came down to earth to die for man's sins, should you not expect him to sit on the throne itself, not on the right side of God!
"He will come again to judge the living and the dead."
-we had a few false alarms did we not!
“I believe in the Holy Spirit”
-do you know what that is? The church does not seem to agree on that!
“, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints,”
-and what will these do for you if GodWho is sitting on the throne decides to put you in hellfire? Nothing of course! “The forgiveness of sins,”
-I believe in that too, but not in any one carying the sins of any other. God does not need to die for our sins, it is much less painful to forgive them while sitting on the throne. all you need to do is to open your heart and speak sincerely to God whose name is Eli, Elohim, Allah, and say, “I am sorry!” and He will forgive you instantly. You see, God loves to forgive, that is why He also calls Himself, ‘The Compassionate, The Merciful’.
“The resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting.”
-I believe in that too, on the day of judgemjent.
“I believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God”
-you mean a god who died is the son of a living one!
-actually the Greek word which was translated to ‘son’ does not mean son at all, it means ‘servant’.
-Jesus never claimed to be God, always that he was sent by God. He said in John 14:28, and I quote, “for my father is greater than I.” Had he been God or the son of God he would not have said that. Furthermore, Jesus said quite plainly that the Father is ‘The only true God’, not the son and not the Holy Ghost.
“. I do not believe in Mohammed.”
-why not? He came with the same message. Furthermore, he is the one about whom the scriptures foretold. He is the one about whom Jesus spoke in John 14:16, 14:25-26, 14:30-31, 15:26, 16:7-8, 16:13. As well as telling us about Muhammad in various places, he is actually mentioned in the bible by name in Isaiah.
"If my Lord had intended me to abandon Christ and follow Mohammed, he would have told me to do so. He has not. In fact, he has told me to beware of false prophets.
-Actually, you were told by Jesus, again in John 16:13, “Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.”
-of course you will object to what I am saying by protesting that Jesus was speaking of the holy ghost when he said that, as falsely inserted much later on into John 14:26, I will draw your attention to John 14:30, in which Jesus said that the one to come, the comforter, has ‘nothing in me’, so, according to your Trinitarian doctrine, he was not the holy ghost, was he?
“I am a Christian and refuse to be categorized BY a Muslim as a Muslim. “
-that is your right of course, but many Christians do not share the beliefs that you described, and rather believe in One God like I do, not three gods like you do.
“I believe in the Holy Trinity as mentioned above -- God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Mohammed is never mentioned in my creed, my prayers and my faith and never will be. “
-You are so right, you are not a Muslim, and do not worry yourself too much, I do not call you a Muslim! your faith has its roots in the age old 'Mystery Religions', look it up sir, google it if you wish!
“I am not a Muslim. Not even by default. Hesham's presumptuous and erroneous rationalizations attempt to group me, a Christian, with Islam.. To say that the logic Hesham is using is flawed an ignorant would be the understatement of the year. 'Nuff said.”
-please do not upset yourself too much. You beliefs are your own. And remember that you were under no obligations whatsoever to read what I wrote here.
Yours in Christ (not Mohammed) +
- Actually, my name, el-essawy, means “the follower of Jesus”. the real name of Jesus is Essa.
Anyway, may I say to you in conclusion, SoSick, even though you hate me so much and for nothing other than being a Muslim; Peace be upon you!
Hesham.
P.s.I have a lot more to say, but ‘NUFF’ for now!
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