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Hi, anybody out there who is having problems with chelating and feel disheartened that even though you're on a very low dose of DMSA (e.g. 6 mg),. Let me pass this onto you. Someone on another forum is using only 1 mg of DMSA and 1 mg of ALA on the every 3-4 hourly regime and they are already noticing some improvements. They are on longer rounds though, about 7 days at a time, but this goes to show that some people simply have to start on miniscule doses in order for their system to cope with the mercury being moved.
I had no idea it was even possible for anything to occur at 1 mg doses, but this person has proved it is possible. So anyone here on very low dose, you may feel a little better about it after hearing that. And those who have given up trying DMSA due to the effects, you may simply need to go down to the tiniest dose in order to start coping and build up gradually from there.
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Thank you for posting this info. I have given up on both chelators as even 5 mg would give me severe reactions. I will have your information in mind though....... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Thanks!
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No problem. It gets ridiculous when you start getting down to such a low dose, but the more I hear, the more I realise that this is how it can be for many people utnil they get their levels low enough to tolerate more normal doses.
i can understand you giving up on those chelators though. But just so you know, 1 mg is enough for some!
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thanks Bex. I will give this a go, although it barely seems worth the hassle of the 4 hourly wake up at night? I dunno. Very fed up with all this ....
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How is it possible to accurately measure out 1mg doses? Are there lower doses than 25mg for DMSA?
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I think the whole purpose of low-dose frequent chelation in cutler's mind was to facilitate the body's natural detox mechanisms (that do work round the clock, 25h/day), so even if u take small amounts BUT round the clock for a long time, u are still doing something to help youd body with he poison.
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I don't know how a person would measure out 1 mg, I mean I cannot imagine it. One person has the DMSA in grains, so they measure out one "grain". I guess otherwise, you'd just have to keep splitting up a 25 mg capsule until you got to about 3 mg or so. It does sound ludicrous, but some people only require tiny amounts to notice effects and for them it is more than enough to do something.
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I got so fed up measuring it out into gel caps that i took the plunge and now take 12.5mg every 4 hrs. It seems okay at the moment, lets see!
To get 1 mg, i think you measure down to 6mg, then halve it, and with the 3mg, divide into 3.
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Hi Dawn, that is great that you are up to 12.5 mg. It's just having to go through the hell of further detox to get there. It is very fussy and very annoying to break pills down to such a level, when it's enough to put up withthe tiredness and sickness itself. But for some, it is something they may need to do (or wish to try).
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Good for u Dawn <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Im also up to 12.5mg now. I did attempt 25mg the other week but that seemed a little too much - the palpitations were too scary. I guess another couple of weeks on 12.5 before 'taking the plunge' again!
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Thanks Bex, it was your encouragement and letting me know about the safe 3 or 4 hourly protocol that made me think about taking it so i just want to thank you for your help.
Virago, good luck with the DMSA, i hope you can get up to 25mg soon, let us know how it goes, Cheers, Dawn.
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I can now take 30mg ALA at a time with around 3 tables of Algin to soak it up. Before I could only take around 10mg of ALA.
I don't do the "every four hours" thing though. I found that too disruptive to my schedule and my health. I normally take one dosage, let it wear off, then take another. I may take it every four hours when my body appears to be stronger.
My only worry is that my bowel movements aren't that regular. I know algin is suppose to be insoluble, but still I worry.
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HI Dawn, I"m sorry I missed your post!! You are very welcome and I can only hope you are hanging in there and the DMSA is doing "something" at the very least.
Hi anon, from Andy's teaching, not taking the ALA every 3-4 hours and doing something else is what may cause mercury to go into the brain. This is why he says it is better to take it every 3-4 hours, even if you have to take a tiny tiny dose, rather than taking a one off dose, or a three times a day dose or any other way. Broken sleep is far better than increased brain mercury. He knows it's annoying, but this is the only way to keep levels more even and ensure mercury is escorted out, rather than moved into worse areas. ONe only has to do that for 3 days on and take a break of 3 days or longer and then 3 days on again and repeat. I don't think waking up every 4 hours is such a deal when you think of the risks otherwise. In fact, it is so risky, that he's altered it to every 3 hours, due to some people STILL getting some redistribution. However, a person 'can" extend it to every 4 hours over night, so long as they go back to every 3 during the day. But even this can be risky. That is how bad it can be.
It's up to the individual what they wish to do and what they are willing to risk. Personally, I would do about 12.5 mg every 3 hours for 3 days, as that appears to be the safest.
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HI Dawn, I"m sorry I missed your post!! You are very welcome and I can only hope you are hanging in there and the DMSA is doing "something" at the very least.
Hi anon, from Andy's teaching, not taking the ALA every 3-4 hours and doing something else is what may cause mercury to go into the brain. This is why he says it is better to take it every 3-4 hours, even if you have to take a tiny tiny dose, rather than taking a one off dose, or a three times a day dose or any other way. Broken sleep is far better than increased brain mercury. He knows it's annoying, but this is the only way to keep levels more even and ensure mercury is escorted out, rather than moved into worse areas. ONe only has to do that for 3 days on and take a break of 3 days or longer and then 3 days on again and repeat. I don't think waking up every 4 hours is such a deal when you think of the risks otherwise. In fact, it is so risky, that he's altered it to every 3 hours, due to some people STILL getting some redistribution. However, a person 'can" extend it to every 4 hours over night, so long as they go back to every 3 during the day. But even this can be risky. That is how bad it can be.
It's up to the individual what they wish to do and what they are willing to risk. Personally, I would do about 12.5 mg every 3 hours for 3 days, as that appears to be the safest. What do you take ALA with?
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You can take ALA alongside DMSA, or you can take ALA by itself. DMSA can help with the side effects for some, but those who do not tolerate DMSA can use ALA alone and still get well.
The key is low frequent doses. A person will need to split a capsule up to get such a dose. E.g. getting a 50 mg capsule and taking the capsule apart, tipping out the powder and separating it into thirds if a person wants 12.5 mg. Using one third at the time for your dose and keeping the other part of the powder for the next dose (you can put it back in the capsule for later until the next split). When you only have one third of the powder left, you can keep that for your night time dose, and during the day simply do the same so you have the doses for overnight in a capsule ready when you wake up.
Supplements recommended during chelation are usually vitamin C, vitamin E, B complex, magnesium/calcium, zinc, and some essential fatty acids like pure fish oil or Flaxseed oil etc. Cod liver oil is a good one as it contains vitamin A and D, as well as omega 3. But needs to be a mercury free one.
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Bex i think the maths are wrong. If 50mg doses of ALA are split into 3rds then that would give a dose of 16.6mg rather than 12.5mg. As you probably know those extra few mgs can make all the difference. For 12.5mg doses split into quarters initially. If the powder is put back into the capsule the next time split the remaining powder into 3rds, then split the powder again in half for the final two doses. I find all this capsule spliiting rather complicated myself and it can be tricky getting the right doses. If anyone has a simpler method please post
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Hi Richard, sorry you are quite correct. the maths was wrong. Yep, splitting up a 50 mg capsule into thirds would give around 16 mg. Sorry for the confusion.
I should have said quarters!
It can get confusing, but you get used to it after a while. It's more annoying than confusing, once you get the dose relatively right. It's hard to get it perfect, as tipping out the powder, flattening it out into an even shape, then splitting it is never going to be ideal, but it's near enough and the extra mg, or less of a mg, should not be overly significant, so long as it's more-a-less as even as possible.
25 mg capsules are obviously far easier, but mostly they are only available in 50 mg or more.
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