Hello everyone again, hope you've had good christmas days.

I posted about my onset of symtoms before after 2 fillings were removed 2 months ago and I swollowed a lot of particles and probably inhaled some too.

And I am bad. Bad food choices these christmas days probably contributed to this state (fish on christmas eve after which I got burning symptoms, plus some wheat flower and cake).

Anyway, I can't think rationally anymore. My mind is stuck, I understand what people are telling me only if they give small chunks of information. Can't see the big picture on information anymore, I know what people are trying to say only in like 1 case in 10.

I am COMPLETELY disoriented, don't know how to clean up my room anymore. Word retrieval is very difficult now, and I cant convey a longer thought unless it's, again a chunk of information. My thoughts have become totally elusive, I CAN'T speak COHERENTLY.

The very fact that I am writing to you now is fortunate, cause 80% of the time I couldn't even bring myself to it. I just walk from corner to corner not knowing what to do with myself.

My memory has greatly deteriorated, especally when it comes to vocabulary, naming things, people, but not just that. Adding, subtracting, any kind of simple math work to do is next to impossible.

I barely take care of myself: wash, dress.

And I am almost certain I have lots of mercury in my brain responsible for that - and it's in my frontal lobes:( That's where I feel slight pressure (though no pain), and when I try to think hard I feel this burning. It's like the brain matter inside me hardened.

I might have got this merc in my brain from ALA which I took 3 weeks after the dental visit when I first got the terrible symptoms - but again it wasn't much, just about 15 or 25mg. But after taking it my right hemisphere felt 'taken up' and I could feel the difference between the two - right: foggy/hardened, left-clearer though nut much more. I hen took some cilantro, but again, no more that one bunch, and later a coriander tea (I don't think it works much different in metals) and realized only a couple of days later that I don't feel the hemipshere disproporrtion as much but I am just more foggy all over.

Just took some zinc and selenium and felt it heloing as I am writing this. But again, I took some DMSA yesterday - just about 8mg, and it made a difference, I could have a small conversation with my uncle, but again I woke up again today terrible (and not even realizing I feel terrible!). So I don't know anymore what's helping me and what's not.

I would like to start Cutler's small dose chelation but I STILL have 5 mercury fillings left: 1 large one, two medium , and two small. I'm seriously considering extraction of the former three as I wouldn't survive another exposure.

What can you do guys? I can't take it anymore! I know it all comes down to the exposure from 2 months ago, but how long will mercury from that be in my body? Andy says Hg half life is up to 3 months, so what, it means I have to wait total 6 months to be on the safe side?? I know I could bring it down with dmsa, but again - fillings! And I need to have my blood mercury down so I can at least detox my brain some, god damn it!

Mike

OH, AND THERE IS THIS STRANGE THING, I don'tunderstand:

I don't have much of other mercury symptoms: almost no muscle twitches, my skin looks nicer, no dark circles under eyes, no pain,no liver/kidney dull pain etc. All of those I had before the removal and now I just feel these mental-motor symptoms plus fatigue and an overall feeling of heaviness and increased numbness. So, either I'm really insane, or my body just isn't excreting the toxins as we know skin, liver and kidney are the excretive organs.

What I currently take throughout the day: zinc, selenium, vit c, vit E, plus some herbs. I don't tolerate sweating, it just mobilises mercury in me and makes me worse.

This is not good. But I do appreciate what you're experiencing in more ways than you realise. I get this a lot also and it literally drives me insane.

Anyway, the ALA you took was obviously a bad move, but it's done. Though you have fillings already in your mouth, in the state you are in, I would almost suggest you try the frequent dose chelation with DMSA regardless. Because what else can you do?

No amount of supplements are going to do much and I gather you're on a good diet, so it seems you may have to try it if the mercury is in areas that are setting off brain symptoms, doesn't mean the mercury is in the brain, it can be elsewhere and give mental symptoms, just as mercury in the brain can give physical symptoms. It can be hard to tell.

I'm no a doctor or anything, it is very hard for me to know what to suggest to you as I would hate to make a bad situation even worse. But it seems you probably feel like it can't get much worse.

Maybe if you do just a few rounds of DMSA, it could at the very least quieten down some of the mercury....Doesn't mean you have to keep doing it, but trying it to see if it might help "might" be something at least. It's not recommended no, but some people do actually use it with their fillings regardless, so though andy says no, some doctors reckon you can still do it.

But of course, I feel it's not a wise move. However, in your state? I would probably do it because something has got to settle some of these symptoms down and anything else, like using chlorella etc, will likely mobilise the mercury instead and you maybe like me to where you simply cannot excrete what you have been poisoned by. You just suffer. I'm the same way and that for me has grown far worse in recent years after a viral infection which I didn't recover from and other things. I now don't excrete barely at all and the symptoms are extreme from anything I do that is "remotely" wrong.

I gather you are on the candida diet? that you're not consuming sugar, yeast, gluten, fruit, milk etc? This is most important and yeah stay away from fish (obviously), but everybody slips up, so don't beat yourself up over that.

Not much else you can do at the moment. Exercise, sweating etc, will likely mobiise what you cannot even handle mobilising. You need somethign that is going to grab hold of the mercury in you and quieten it down and remove a little of it hopefully too.

If you do decide to do this? I do not know of the correct dose for you. You will have to find that out. Andy does say 50 mg of DMSA every 4 hours around the clock for about 3 days up to a week. You may need lower than this, but some do better on higher, some on much lower. IT is very hard to find out what dose your body does well on. It is not always predictable.

I'm sorry I cannot suggest much more, as anything else, either if you do nothing, you remain like you are, if you sweat you get worse. I hope that the DMSA at least might help, but I feel bad for even confirming you use it, because you still have fillings, but again, sometimes you gotta try something in this state.

Definitely don't go NEAR alpha lipoic acid. Also watch out for all sulfur foods, especially in your poisoned state. They will mobilise the mercury wildly. This means onions, garlic, leek etc maybe a little risky at the moment, eggs too, though eggs are veyr healthy. Just make sure you watch yourself with those types of foods, you may get away with 'some" eggs, but don't over do it.

They just move the mercury around. Sometimes all people like us can do is stick to some boring, limited little diet and attempt to try and remve the mercury at the sametime.

I'm really sorry to hear of this though, but keep us in touch and I just hope the DMSA won't make things even worse, but definitely don't slip up on teh dose. Make sure you take it like clockwork and if you miss a dose, I would stop the round and wait for a few days before starting another one. Being late for a dose may risk redistribution (depending on how late you are). You can get away with about half an hour late or so, but it's advised not to push it.

Keep in touch! and hoping you get some relief.

Dear Jinx just read your post and made me want to cry i feel for your suffering its just so damn hard i have eaten so much crap over christmas and have had times of total brain clarity and times of actually asking myself am i insane i am so tired of going through this crap but have to think it will come right in the end i am going to rethink and replan what i am going to next its almost like going into a boxing ring without being sure who or what your fighting i have had to force myself to do so many things over the last few days because of family gatherings ect so i am extra tired and pretty down. My gp has me on anti-depressants i finally agreed cos she said if by the new year you come back and theyve made no difference you can tell me im wrong and a crap doctor and god how part of me wishes she was right and i could keep popping these little pills and everything would function normally again but i think we all know thats not likely the only thing i would say is the memory is better and slightly less brain fog but im not sure thats the tabs. Anyway im sure you dont need me ranting on but i dont know if you read my vicar post, he actually did go schizophrenic because of amalgams but he did recover. I know what im saying probably isnt of much help but i really empathize with you and i wish i had the answer for all of us i know im still trapped in that dark tunnel and cant see the light yet but all of you help me to get through each day evev if it is just day by day at the moment i am thinking of you jinx and pray you get some relief i have had phases of hallucinations, voices and seeing things but i know im still sane remember if you lose your sanity you dont realise it the mind is so complicated and delicate but wiring has gone out of sink and go back again the toxic neurologist i saw in london said the damage isnt irreversible i hope i havnt waffled on too much just know i am thinking of you and know there is an answer somewhere its just finding that right combination hugs Tracy

The last hour I've felt better, but don't know how long this lasts. It really isn't like typical brain fog anymore where you see IT attacking you, it comes in an insidious manner and by the time you get to 'realize' you are not yourself anymore. I really fear going to bed because each day is a new beginning, even if the last day ended on a more positive note.

Anyway, wanted to thank you girls for your encouragement. But I really need advice, like Bex told me I should try the DMSA. That's what i'm really confused of - I took no more than two 25mg caps of it total the last two weeks (since I got it) , and can't say if it just was to little to help me or if I got worse from it. I am afraid that there might be the possibility of it pushing things into the brain or from my fillings. But it's still my best bet at lowering mercury levels.

I would like poeple's opinions (the more of you the better) on the following thoughts:

1) should I do the DMSA rounds or not?
2) in my state, should I go ahead and extract the 3 teeth with the biggest fillings? That would be 1 molar in my down-left quadrant and two my biggest molars on each side of upper teeth.
3) I see the zinc and selelnium I took when i was writing the previous post must have helped, so how much do you think I should be taking it a day? 50 zinc a day? 200mcg selenium?
4) any other advice appreciated.
I know it has to be my decision so don't feel responsible giving me advice, just tell me what you would do if you were in my place.

I also think the reason I feel so insane is because I strayed from the anticandida diet a few days before christmas and now have eaten junk during christams.

I need your help guys, please keep posting.

hi jinx
alls i know is that you shouldnt do dmsa or any chelation if you still have amalgams could make u much worse and if your ok about having teeth extracted then do watever feels right for you but dont they drill even when they do an extraction if it limits mercury exposure then that would be better as for dosages dont know much about that but im pretty sure your feeling twice as bad cause uv cheated on your diet i have to and i bet most of us did its christmas time so hard to stick to the diet sorry i couldnt be more helpful

Hi Jinx, you said you took two 25 mg of DMSA in total? IF you took them isolated, you will get worse. So say if you take one capsule and then do nothing and then another day take another one, you can easily get worse. It will just push mercury into worse areas (brain being one). You have to take a capsule every 4 hours around the clock, set an alarm (sorry I'm confused here, so correct me if I got what you said wrong). You have to wake up at night to take a dose and carry on like this for at least a full three days, then have a break of the same amount of days and repeat this cycle. If you don't take a dose every four hours, you risk the movement of mercury into worse areas. As with anything else, taking it periodically is very risky.

If I were you, I'd try it again on the proper protocol and see how you go. I know it's a risk becuase you have amalgams in your teeth, but I'm not sure what else you can do at the moment. All I can say is, if you try it and you notice things are concerning, alarming, stop the round and then evaluate your symptoms and see if they improve again and maybe try it again. But don't push yourself to stay on a round if things are too much. That is a bad sign, so stop..

Well, it's no wonder you strayed from the diet, it's Christmas and the pressure is extreme to try and avoid everything, especially when you are already miserable. But I strongly advise you to get back on track and don't cheat, cheating is enough in itself to throw a person into an extreme condition (I know how that feels). Really make sure you eat the healthy fats as well as following the strict diet, as this helps the brain and helps tissue repair and encourages bile production which is needed for detox.

I wouldn't start the DMSA until you've been on the strict diet for at least a week, but it's up to you.

I don't know if I would extract the teeth...if you do this, definitely get it done by a biologic dentist who will make sure he/she removes the periodontal ligament and doesn't leave it behind to basically rot. Otherwise you risk cavitation, also make sure you get a local anaesthetic WITHOUT a vaso constrictor. Vaso constrictors serve the purpose of shutting down the blood supply around the tooth, so it numbs it for longer and more efficiently. Problem is, in doing that, the healing can be halted because of lack of blood supply and risks cavitation.

If it were me, I would hold out, stay on the diet and if that alone produces ANY improvement after a week or more, I would give the DMSA another go on the four hourly regime and see what happened.

I would probably look at getting the big fillings replaced by cerec porcelain, as this is proving one of the best for most toxic people. It is strong and biocompatible. It is unlike the typical porcelain that usually has an infused metal base (containing nickle and all sorts of stuff, but it covered over with white, so people have no idea). Cerec is just pure ceramic. And ALL dental materials contain metals, they are unavoidable. Porcelains, composites, glass ionomers, even dentures. So the best thing to do is to choose a material that is most stable and doesn't readily leach out its contents. One person on here was very toxic, had schizophrenic signs, was so ill and chemically sensitive. They got cerec replacements and now have their life back, they no longer get on here, they're basically well. Though they admitted to me that the diet is helping, so though they are at long last able to loosen up more,they stil have to watch it. But I have heard mostly good reports on Cerec, even by the guy that runs the clifford blood testing lab in US, and he's a biochemist I think. He says so far they've not seen a bad reaction to cerec (but again, I'm alway wary regardless).

Here is a link you maybe very interested in reading, I would save it if I were you. http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache...p;amp;gl=nz&ct=clnk&cd=5

At least this gives you some choices. I don't know if I would advocate removing your three teeth, but that is up to you. I can understand you thinking of it though.

At this stage, I would just recommend perhaps you stick with the diet strictly and see how you go, and maybe try the DMSA.

THat's all I can really advise. I'm no professional, so I have no idea what the ideal answer is. I wish I did!

Jinx,

From what you have described, you sound like you are experiencing a lot of circulating mercury and not excreting very well.

Because you still have amalgams in and are experiencing such problems, I do not reccommend using DMSA, ALA or any chelator that mobilizes until you have all mercury removed and are excreting better.

You need to drink lots of water to help flush the toxins out, 8-10 (8oz) glasses a day. Also, the schizophrenic like symptoms that you decribed,( I experienced all those as well and just had a spell a couple of weeks ago when I tried using cilantro) in the beginning and it is mercury causing those things- you are not going crazy you are just highly toxic at the moment and the toxcins are blocking fuctions of the body.

FYI, I am 23 months post revision and had 11 amalgams since childhood and am 43 years old now.


Here is what I would reccomend based on what has worked for me: - drink the water (no flouride or chlorine)
- take magnesium (glycinate, taurate, or ionized) Lots of it with divided doses at night and morning. I take 800-1000mg a day. This does wonders for the psyche.
-walk. This helps with circulation and gets blood and oxygen to brain-a big help with the problem of "zoning out"
-B complex. This helps with mental and neurological
stuff.


I also take 50 mg of zinc and 200mcg of selenium.

And yes, stay away from the sugar and dairy as much as you can.

Better days are coming, hang in there <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I wanted to thank everyobody for your posts. I'm too tired now to adress these, will do it tomorrow but reeaaally apreciate all your advice. I will say now that I was feeling better these past 2 days, not schizophrenic anymore, albeit VERY (and I really mean it) stupid.

Sleep well. (those in Europe at least)

Jinx. I'm glad you are starting to feel better. You are getting some good advise, but I was wondering if you have tried Algin? I was not tolerating chelation at all until I started taking Algin. I am taking 250 mg of DMSA and a teaspoon of Detox Max (EDTA) every other week, but I also had all 7 of my mercury fillings replaced about 1 year ago. I would suggest stopping the DMSA until you have the rest of your fillings replaced and get back on the anti-candida diet along with Algin. The Algin will help to get the mercury being released from your fillings and from the yeast die off, out of the body.
There was one member in a small town in Poland that couldn't get the Algin.
Not sure if that was you. Sorry, can't remember. There are some other things that do the same thing as Algin you could use instead. I think activated charcoal is one. But I don't think it should be used every day for long periods of time like algin can be used. But it might be a good quick fix when you notice the symptoms getting worse.
chigirl

Algin is probably the single more important supplement to take during mercury detox.

Anyone detoxing should also take plenty of Vitamin C and E.

Thank you for mentioning Algin.