...hi....i really get what you are going through with the pressure behind the eyes, vertigo ect.....i am doing one drop a day ONLY and having MAJOR detox symptoms....it felt like i almost had a seizure last night i mobilized soo much toxins....has anyone heard of this before? its been 2 weeks and still i can only handle 1 drop...it scares me to think how much poison is inside me....i can only think one day at a time....i buy a 25 kilo thing of sea salt from the health store and do alot of baths....also reading great healing books by katherine ponder...she keeps my spirits high....that is a very important part of healing too.....loads of love and energy to all of you going through detoxing...remember..".this will pass"...i would love to hear back from anyone if they know something of one drop a day <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Anonymous,

I started with 3 drops, 3x/day while I was taking alpha lipoic acid and cysteine. This was way too much for me to handle. The detox side effects were awful. My dentist wants me to stick with the NCD so I've stopped the ALA and cysteine and can only tolerate NCD at 1 drop 3x/day. I think it is important to listen to your body. If you are having severe detox symptoms, I would back off and concentrate on building up your immune system (lots of Vit. C, Vit. D, milk thistle, probiotics, high raw diet). After a while I would try the drops again.

Just scanned this thread and wanted to be sure no one misses out on the importance of Algin, especially during detox.

This page has some additional information about it:

Tips For Living While Amalgam Fillings Are Still Installed

Treva,

I was hoping you still check back on this forum. I wanted to see how you are doing. Did you have your last amalgams out? I really hope you are continuing to do well.

Andrea,
I'm doing really well!! Thank's for asking.I have not had the last two fillings removed yet. Honestly, I've been doing soo well I don't want it to end. I know I will have to go through all the detoxing process and it stinks. How have you been doing? Are you still taking the NCD? I'm still maintaing 10 drops two times a day!!
-keep in touch <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Treva, I am so glad to hear that you are doing so well! I can understand why you have been holding off on the last two amalgams as you are feeling good right now. The thought of detox symptoms and getting any worse always makes me nervous too. You have come a long way in the past year. I am not on the NCD right now but plan to start it again probably this week. I am taking a few other things to try to address some of my symptoms before I detox - I have been taking Cortef for over 3 weeks, and recently started progesterone. I tried the vitamin D but it did not agree with me at all. But I have to get back to the NCD because I want to get to the root cause - the mercury. I went for an opinion with another dentist and he also recommended the NCD since I'm so sensitive. But he told me to try to take 2 drops 3x per day for six weeks before I consider going higher. He told me I was going too fast for me last time. He told me that he does not think I should get my amalgams removed for some time. I do feel I need to get on the NCD for a while before I start to remove them, but I also am eager to get one or two out within the next few months or so as a start. I have been having some vision problems which make me nervous and are related to the TMJ. After I eat, everything is blurry and I feel like my vision is distorted - not quite seeing double, but not normal. I really hope the detox will help with this. The cortef is helping me to have some more energy, but I can feel the yeast grow while I'm on it. So I'm very torn as to whether I'm doing the right thing.

Keep me posted as to how you are doing. Take care-

Hello. I'm 26, have fibromyalgia, tmj, chronic fatigue, etc. I have 5 amalgam fillings and want them removed, but I'm currently pregnant with our second child so that's not an option right now. I just saw my ND and she recommended NCD for myself and my one year old son to detox. I've had some concerns about whether this is safe or not and wondering if anyone has any insight. My son just turned 1 and he's 26 lbs, he's only been vaccinated 3 times with hib and prevnar due to bullying, but will receive no more. Would the NCD be safe to help detox his system? Thanks for any advice.

Elizabeth

hello,

I recommend that you join

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AutismNCD/

Usually only parents with austic kids can participate, but im sure they will make an exception in your case.

hope this helps

Hi Elizabeth. If you go on to yahoo groups, go to the group called NCD adults. You don't need to be a member of this group. If you read the messages, you will see that every Wednesday night between 9:00 and 10:00 p.m. e.s.t. you can call a number and speak to a dentist with your questions. My dentist is one of the dentists on that call in line (he answers every other week I think). I saw him today, and he told me that NCD is safe to use while pregnant or with young kids. I was asking him about giving it to my 8 year old. If you call you can ask specific questions about it.

I have taken NCD for six months, and I have seen remarkable results in my life. The headaches come most often when you are a bit dehydrated. It is essential that you drink lots of water, which we know that the lack of good quality water contributed to our problems to begin with.

Hi...
I started w. 3 drops 2x/day..
then after approx 4days went to 7 drops, 2x/day..& seemed to overdose on NCD. Bad skin break out, very nervous, uneasy feeleing, BURNing eyes, headache.

Now, I am trying 2 drops before sleeping..
Also, my stomach feels upset/ nauseus..
Does anyone have a clue why..?

I have candida & fillings, & chemical sensitivity...
At 1st it made me feel good - (1st 2 days) - cleared skin, etc.

Any positive results from NCD on candida..?

If you are using it with amalgams still in your mouth, you may be pulling more mercury from the fillings. Initially it may have removed excess mercury from your tissues, but now it may be actually drawing it from your teeth and that is why you are feeling unwell.

Just my 2 cents.

Sandi
xoxo

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If you are using it with amalgams still in your mouth, you may be pulling more mercury from the fillings. Initially it may have removed excess mercury from your tissues and that is why you felt better. But now it may be actually drawing it from your teeth and that is why you are feeling unwell....cause it is redistributing the mercury.

Are you planning on having your amalgams out eventually?

Best luck and feel better soon,

Sandi
xoxo

The NCD is safe to take with fillings in. From all of my research, it does not pull mercury from your fillings. I think you jumped up too high too soon and were having a strong detox reaction. If you are chemically sensitive like me, you should be taking it very slowly - I was recently told by my dentist to try to take 1 or 2 drops 2-3x per day and stay at that dose for a while before increasing. A second dentist I spoke with told me to take 2 drops 3x per day for 6 weeks and then check in with him. Drink lots of water too.

I'm about to try it again today so let me know if you have any questions. I had the same thing as you by the way - felt great for a few days at the beginning and then crashed. But I want to try to get on a low dose and weather the storm for for a while and see how I do.

I'm afraid that I must agree with Sandi. If it chelates, it will not distinguish between the mercury in our tissues and the mercury in our amalgams. It's very dangerous to steer people in the direction of using any chelation agents while they have amalgams in their mouth. Some have been seriously hurt by doing this very thing. If anyone chooses to do so, they must know that they can do damage that will not be reversed, from everything I've read on the subject.

i believe it does not pull mercury out of tissue, but does clean up mercury in your blood - it traps mercury that is in fluid in its cage-like structures. Someone earlier on this discussion called it a passive chelator. All I know is that two dentists recommended that I take it with my amalgams in first- and they are both mercury free dentists who follow proper protocol with good reputations. I posted messages on the NCD yahoo message board and multiple people confirmed the same thing -they said it is safe to take with amalgams in.

hi... I am the ANONYMOUS who had bad reaction to NCD...Today I took ONE DROP and had burning eyes & aching all day...
Will stick to taking small dose at bedtime (!)
I NEVER Imagined that I had merc toxicity before trying NCD...interesting..
I used to do airbrush photo-retouching w. lots of paints (metals in them I believe)... this is very interesting -
I will definitely keep you posted on this. - no one else in my family seems to have this issue w. their fillings - so I am guessing that something in my previous jobs made me more senstive..I worked w. solvents also.
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I know NOTHING about the Cutler method either..looks like I have a lot of research to do..

Hi yeah, generally/mostly it is never recommended to do any chelating with amalgams in teeth. There have indeed been people badly injured by this practise. Some seem to do ok.

I would say that certainly the mercury coming off amalgams is constantly going on, so some people who are so unbelieveably sick, that they cannot even go to a dentist, have actually tried chelation and it may work, because it could serve to chelate out what is constnatly going in. I do not know how much of that will also encourage or pull more mercury from amalgams.

My dentist here has studied for many years on mercury toxicity and has had great success with patients. He does recommend detoxing with amalgams, as he feels the person needs to be in a stronger state before the removal and some are so bad, they can't.

So he does detox them, BUT he uses products that don't seem to give too strong a magnet to mercury. E.g. products that serve mainly to help detox the tissues or help the body clear out some of the ongoing exposure. NDF is the one he uses for that, as apparently ti does not pull mercury from fillings.

Again, his entire work up for that process has got to be taken onboard also. This means diet preparation and other supplemetns of support, and whent he person is improved and ready from that alone, then he starts them on that detox. THen, as they are ready from that, he'll do the removal of amalgams and they continue their detox regime during and thereafter, possibly increasing it further now that the amalgams are gone.

I was unable to do his detox, it did not seem to agree with me. But many of his other patients did well.

Another way apparently is using charcoal or algin, as a kind of mop to help mop up the available mercury, as this can also aid symptoms. But they do not directly chelate, which is a bonus, because they do not pull more mercury out, they just mop up any they come into direct contact with.

hi -
ok , Now I am taking 3 drops before bed only...
and am feeling better..
it seems the NCD is doing some deep work on my system..
mostly I was looking for a cure for my acne - now (after approx 2wks on NDC) that is mostly gone:) (after SO LONG trying anti-candida, etc!)
...also, I too can almost feel it working on areas of my body..
I can really relate to the shoulder/neck aches (which people on this site say are from amalgums)..I thought I had a virus (or even meningitis)...and clogged head/sinus issues..- those all seem to be melting away with this stuff - YEAH!
This is very interesting -I am very happy that I spent the $ on this - I will save costs from other supplements which I had been trying before..
I hope the good results continue..

Yinyan, that is great to hear. My father, brother and first cousin suffered acne! They took meds to finally get over it, aside from Dad who had to grow out of it.

Of course, wtih you it was obviously toxic related (maybe they all are?). Candida diet didn't work in that case, so yeah it was obvoiusly mercury...

PRoblem is, sometimes we do not know which is doing what with either illness, so that way it's a good move to treat both I think. Though one problem might be outdoing the other at the time. I have treated my metal toxicity and stayed ill due to candida. I have treated candida and stayed ill due to metal toxicity, so it's very hard sometimes to distinguish what is really going on. Nightmarish.

Glad you have found something that is helping you, may it continue.

That's great that you are seeing some results Yinyang. I'm gearing up to try the NCD again. If I have trouble I may start before bedtime like you. Right now I'm trying to slowly get myself on a couple of other supplements first to strengthen my system.

Please keep us posted as to how you are doing.

hi..
I seemed to have a bad candida episode over the weekend..I was not sure weath er NCD would just stop the candidia also - I have read that it is good for candida.
I am still on the 3drops/nite now..
Good luck Andrea - I can undertsand/sympathize with your sensitivity issues!

thanks for all the moral support here..:)

Yin yang,

I heard the NCD can help with the candida, and i did feel some relief from my candida when I was taking it 3x (10 drops overall). But when I needed to drop down because of detox reactions, I felt the candida worsen again. Maybe over time you will be able to increase your dose, and maybe it will help??? Some people say that when you detox mercury, candida can worsen too, so I don't know if that is what may be happening to you. Do you follow the candida diet? Even when my candida felt better on the NCD, I could feel repercussions if I strayed from the diet.
Feel better-

Andrea - ahha..
sounds what might be going on w. me - increased candida when detoxing w. NCD...also - I DID go off the diet on the weekend - drank some wine..
But I am back on track now.. physically I am feeling much better...less sleepy..less achey..
I will keep you updated on this..good liuck.

Andrea,

It's been a long time. I have to say that If there is one thing I can tell you is that you should look into cavitations as they are a great source of toxicity and if you have them then it will be a bummer trying anything else.

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Sage

Hi Sage. How are you doing? When we last spoke you were trying to detox your liver and your gut. How is it going? Where are you at now? Has it helped?

I saw a dentist who looks into cavitations. He told me not to start there, but to start with the low dose of the NCD. It seemed to me that cavitations were not the top on the protocol. He wanted to try to get some mercury out, but very slowly because I'm so sensitive. I'm about to try the NCD again but slower than last time. I'm also eager to get a filling or two out soon. I've gotten different opinions on this - some say I should, and others I should still wait. I don't think the waiting has been getting me anywhere and wonder if this might begin to move me on the road towards recovery. Just don't want to get worse of course.

Did you have cavitations checked? Was that related to your issues? I am curious to know if I have them too.

I'm glad you checked back in. I hope you are feeling better than you were. Keep in touch.

Hi,

I am good. How are you?
I am very well thanks thanks to my periodontist who did my cavitations. I DON'T agree with making you wait for the cavitations. The cavitations are not that bad. They are easy and the improvement is very quick to say the least. So I think that you should definitely get them done. They will also help you tolerate alot of all the other supplements better. Well, at least, they did for me. So I think that you should definitely look into it. Keep me posted as to how it goes.

Warm Regards
Sage

I had no idea periodontists did cavitations? Sage, can you let me know how you got one to do this? Did they have to test for them first or can you get them to open each site up regardless and get them to clear them?

I really need help my health is deteriorating because of so much toxicity and half of it I don't know where it's coming from anymore.

sounds like this could be the missing piece of the puzzle for a few of us.wish I could just take a pill for it.
NOT happy.

Hey Bex,

I must be certain that you are well before I have you do these cavitations on yourself. Or mercury for that matter. Or even root canals!

Wrong!!

I am sure you have heard this before and are also sick of hearing it from other people. And I hate it also. But to tell you the honest truth it CAN be helpful advice if you are healthy enough.. but if you are not, then why wait. Even for root canals extraction if you have to wait, then fine. It is all ok with me as long as you have a plan in the meantime and you are sticking to it. Otherwise, there's not much point in waiting. You need to act fast, otherise it will be a long story pulling yourself back as you were here. That's just what I thought I HAD to say.

Now on to the cavitations, I got one to do one because I was ljust lucky. That's it. The guy that told me about it( God bless his soul) forced the doctor to just "do it" and it turned out alright. There is a Huggins protocol for cavitational cleaning and I think that you can have the dentist/periodontist/oral hygienist read that and see how it goes.

But I stress that if you can do it gently, you can. then do. Because that will ultimately be what is best for you. But if you feel you cannot wait then go ahead and do the cavitations anyway because it is a great deal, source of toxicity. So have yourself figured out, and then come to a conclusiv decision, based on that.

I had mine done by" just opening it up" and seeing what I found there. And it was small, the cavitations that is. But I felt so much better AFTERWARDS!

If you can, have someone who has done them before look at it for you. If not, you can always ask around to look for someone else.

But Know what you are doing before you have them done, and once you have them done then please keep them clean and look after the sites because you NEED to know what you are doing afterwards to keep them clean. So there you go.
Just my two cents.

Hey bex,

And let me know how it goes!

HI Sage, yes that is true, the one bio dentist here that does them would not do any dental work on me until I was healthier. So in the end, I had to forget it because I am unable to afford 9 hour trips to see him, only for "consultations" and more supplements, and then being told I'm not ready.

I tried to get another dentist to help and he refused and put me back on to the original dentist again.

Nobody here does them as far as Im aware and the ones Ive contacted say no. So I'm not really able to do a thing unless I can get help.

I maybe able to get an oral surgeon to do them and maybe outline how I'd like them to be done if he wouldn't mind doing that for me.

Can you just go and make an appointment with a periodontist r oral surgeon? Or do you need a recommendation first from a dentist?

Thanks for your helpful advice!

Hi Sage. Can you tell me what symptoms felt better after having it done? What were the changes that you saw?

I think this may be the missing piece of the puzzle for me - because whenever I have a sensitivity reaction to anything - my jaw immediately tightens up, squeezing behind eyes, etc. - it makes sense that there is bacteria/toxins in the jawbone that are causing the reaction. This is how I have been for 8 years - and every supplement, medicine, environmental exposure causes that same reaction. I am at the point where I feel like I need to do something to try to reduce my internal exposure and see if it helps - my question now is should I remove one or two amalgams or have the cavitations checked and done? Is there an order most dentists recommend? I don't remember - do you still have amalgams?

I did start the NCD again last night and hope to be able to take it longer term at a lower dose.

I have to make a plan of what to do next. Maybe looking into the cavitations will help me to tolerate something further.

Thanks for the info and support.

Sage, one more question - did you have to have teeth extracted during your cavitation surgery?

Thanks-

Andrea

Bex,

I do not know what you can do for sure. All I know is that it is not a hefty procedure and can be done by any good oral surgeon who is daring. Sometimes that can be the problem, sometimes, it is fine. BUt you are not worrying about the important part. THe important part here would be chelating. And cavitations are easy. 1,2,3, Hulda Clark and Hal Huggins have all done cavitational cleanings on their patients with substantial results and claims made, based on that.

Have you spoken to your dentist?
I'm sure you have and this is a dumb question but I am asking it anyway <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Why don't you have an oral surgeon look at it and see what they think. But MAKE SURE that they have read the protocol for cavitational cleaning. Otherwise you could end up bad. really bad. But you should be fine having them done. once you feel better, you'll end up thanking him/her/whoever did it for you for it.

For a periodontist. You WOULD usually need a referral from another doctor, yes, but , at the same time, cavitations are not something recognised by modern medicine today( Kinda like mercury toxicity) so you wouldn't technically need one if you got your dentist/oral surgeon to do it. The only biggy is finding a dentist that is open minded enough to do it.

But I CAN't stress enough how important it is to have someone do it who has done it already. You Need that kind of support in place when you have your work done. Try and find someone with experience and patience and understanding of your situation but fight having them done and make sure your dentist does not end up stringing you along on some wild goose chase, recommending supplement after supplement without you improving at all. So get someone who has experience to have the work done. And talk to your doctor, and tell them how you feel and tell them o give you a straight answer up front about whether or not they will have them done. That can save you alot of time and effort in getting things moving in the right direction.

If you want the protocol, just let me know and I will be ahppy to send it to you.
Sage

Hey there Andrea,

No, I had no teeth extracted at the same time. My old wisdom tooth sites were just opened up and cleaned and then restitched with non-dissolving stitches. That's all. So basically it went well, all in all.

Alot of symptoms cleared up for me. I had this weird muscle spasm in my neck after ingesting any VIt c powder alone and that cleared up. not to mention my reaction to many more supplements was a hell of alot more tolerable. But everyone's different and not everyone is going to have the same symptoms clearing up from the same procedure. So I think you should do this, but first consider it, look it through, and then come to your decision. Just use common sense. No doubts that you will Andrea <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

And that regards cavitation cleaning in a broad sense as well. I believe that they are a great source of toxicity, and that recovery is miraculous once you have them cleaned out but that is just me. And at the same time I do not have a "Protocol" for what to first and then what to do next. But I believe we should all apply common sense in the regard that we must do the most we can to aid our health today to prevent a wide range of problems tomorrow. So do it at a pace that feels comfortable for you. Have your quick fix ready for you when you need it(NCD). Have your amalgams removed as you can, while you supplement your diet with wholsome foods blah blah.. But also look into cavitations because the same reservations do not apply. (If you do em properly) It does not leak mercury into the cells nor do you have a die-off reaction to them. You just feel better. But at the same time, much better. So I would go to someone KNOWLEDGABLE about these stuff to have them done. But you need to be ready. And need to be ready to recover and feel better as soon as you get them done. Happy healing once again.

If you have any questions then I will be glad to answer as I can.

Sage10

hi -
I was just wondering if those of you in thegroup who are Senstitive are doing any liver/bowel cleansing at all...
You can find good info on it at
http://www.askshelley.com

There are good recipes for "cleansing shakes" (w. flax, ect)
& also info on Liver herbs which are helpful.

hi Bex...
Yes - it seems my Candida may be getting wose on the NCD...
You think I should treat Candida at the same time?
Maybe I will try - I had heard that NCD helps candida also...so I stopped treating w. antifungals, etc..
~ Best, YY

This is my experience over 4 years of trying to get better and trying all kinds of heavy metal chelators.

First I think a person should try the natural products, such as Nat cell defence - the only way you know its working is if you just take it and you feel terrible. This is what happened to me, and my father. Whether it chelates mercury etc out of the brain/tissues - I do not know. But most likely the blood, and hey, this is a good start so you can feel half decent and then bring in the big guns of chelation in 6-12 months, preferably DMSA - 50 mgs every 3-5 days. Then go to 100 mgs...

Everyones body is different, and for ones cure, could be ones poision. for example, I was so hyper sensitive that could not even take trace minerals - they will compete against your bad metals and cause a detox cleanse reaction. So you could just start with trying trace minerals - 1/2 dose - take these if your PH is low. If good with this, try some NCD - 2 drops X 3 a day for 3 days, if good then up the dose by 1 dropX3 a day until you get a crisis. Once a crisis wait until headache is gone, and go at your proper dose. If no crisis, then most likely heavy metals are not your problem.....

Take 4000 mgs of fish oil for your omega 3's and inflammation control. I would recommend taking a LIPASE enzyme with this from TYLER to dissolve fats - www.tyler-inc.com

Can take pycnogenol - pine bark - 25 mg X 2 a day for anti oxidants - if you have trouble with this, take 1 a day - listen to your body -- do not panic for there is a way to heal......slowly is key - think 1-2 years depending how bad. AND I think it is okay to do this detox with amalgams in until you feel good enough to get them out......

Drink 8 glasses of spring water a day - I dont believe in distilled water for it chelates minerals from your body/bones.

If sensitive to the trace elements can get BIO XII from HEEL - a homeopathic remedy that is easy to take. This will get you going - http://www.feelgoodnatural.com/catalogue/HY7125.html

Be sure to take a bitters to clean your liver - 5 minutes before each meal. Ringing in the ears and TMJ is from your gall bladder meridian that is inflammed around your ear. My crazy ear doctor said it was hearing loss!!! Way out to lunch. See here:http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupuncturepoints/gallbladder_meridian_graphic

You liver and gall bladder work in synergy. Here is a very good one - http://stfrancisherbfarm.com/product.aspx?ID=7&Title=Liver

If you have excema/psoriasis then your liver is likely very clogged amd maybe just start with liver cleanse for the first month or 2.....take 25 drops X 3 a day.

Listen to your body.

Can add L-cysteine to help increase glutithione levels - again this is something you add later....try it out. If reaction then slow it down or quit, you are not ready yet........

if your stomach is real bad try some aloe vera juice 2X a day - worked good for me.

For sure get some magnesium 200mgs a day - this will help lots for those of you who are constipated. Take some fiber before bed - here is a good one. http://renewlife.com/flowmeter.cfm?meter=371


Dont do any probiotics, only once your feeling better, much better. For heavy metals form around yeast, and probiotics will kill yeast and throw the metals into your blood etc, and could cause major pain. Also do not do digestive enzymes - they dissolve proteins in your blood, and these proteins help to carry off metals. The liver herbs will help with the increase in bile and make you feel better after meals.

If you have bad bowels, do not take anything with a gelatin capsule for it could aggravate - especially enteric coated. Take it out of the capsule and put it into something...... or just a spoon and wash down with water...

And of course - no sweets, coffee, pop, beer, alcohol, cigs - eat multigrain bread from Dempsters is fine/ better then regular white

Eat organic if your able

Once your are feeling quite good can start taking 30 billion probiotic cells from healthy trinity, and each 3 weeks increase 30 billion / 1 capsule.....up to 240 billion/8caps. Do for 2 months I think you can buy this from Whole Foods grocer: http://store.natren.com/Merchant2/m...tore_Code=N&Category_Code=001-01

Thanks for the info. you shared. I will keep it in mind as I have started back on the NCD a few days ago. It's good to hear you remind us that if you feel worse it's working. You were also very hypersensitive before? I cannot even tolerate trace minerals either. If you want to share more about your story with the NCD and the DMSA, and how you overcame those hypersensitivities, I would love to hear it. i agree that those of us who are very sick must take it very slow. It always helps to hear of people who were in our situation who ultimately had good results.

Take care-

wow Kako -
Thanks for the wisdom..
Do you have your Amalgums out now?
Are you doing well?

The Lipase is interesting _ I had not known about that one.

If good with this, try some NCD - 2 drops X 3 a day for 3 days, if good then up the dose by 1 dropX3 a day until you get a crisis. Once a crisis wait until headache is gone, and go at your proper dose. If no crisis, then most likely heavy metals are not your problem.....

What is a crisis???

A crisis is when you get a worsening of your symptoms. Either an increase of the ones you already have and/or new ones. This can happen when your body is detoxing and if the symptoms get intolerable, then you are detoxing faster than your body can keep up with.

This is what can happen when you take chelation for mercury. You can take it and then you can get hit with a healing crisis, which may mean you need to either lower the dose or stop and take a break before resuming on a lower dose.

Often symptoms are to be expected when your body is attempting to heal itself, but to try and keep those symptoms as tolerable as possible is the key. Not always possible, because the more poisoned a person is, the worse the symptoms they get during detox.

I increased from 2 drops to 4 drops per day yesterday, and I felt Autistic. I have to ask everyone to repeat themselves because I am not processing what they are saying. I hate this feeling - went back down today but still feel bad.

I'm going to stay at 2 drops per day for a while. Again I feel stuck. The more stuck I get the more I just want to start amalgam removal and see if it helps. Just scared the removal will incapacitate me.

hi Andrea..
I seem to have made it thru the "headach" phase...I need to cut back beacuse I believe I am in "crsisi" (or "herxheiemer" as they say in cadida-world) mode...Too much detoxing to soon...so I will do more flaxseed smoothies & liver tonic as I lessed the NCD...mabye swithch to 1drop 3x/day...rather thatn 3-4 in evening.

- courage!

i stopped NCD for 1 month, because it made me severly depressed at a high dose. (30-45 drops) I take 2 drops 3 times a day. and feel GREAT.... a bit tired and sleepy and a little bit depressed but relaxed, no anxiety, no heart racing, no pressure on chest, not irritable etc.

..I see.
Has NCD helped any negative symptoms that you had previously?

Funny because the maker of NCD claims that only about 1-2% of users have negative symptoms. Seems like more to me.

..I believe I may actually have a "cavitation"...I suspected something like that a long time ago...cause I seemed to have a localized aching (like a sinus infection feeling) around my top R. molars LONG ago...

Now, when I take NCD...my skin breaks out - as if it is working like an antibiotic - to kill germs..

Now, I've stopped the NCD (because of bad breakout & am takings some high doses of Vit.B5 which cleared my skin before..(BUT may produce hair loss)..at least till my skin is better..then will go back on NCD.
- I believe I have been on NCD approx one month.

Hello

I did NCD - was very skeptical because no testimonials of heavy metal removal on the waiora site

http://www.waiora.com/testimonials/

A representative of NCD has a good testimonial for metals though:

http://my.waiora.com/sStories/cSmith.php


Anyhow, I did NCD for 1 month and developed a real bad bronchial cough for 5 months - tried homeopathic cough medications and nothing. Finally a naturalpath said to me it was a liver/gall bladder cough - congested and plugged.

So the NCD must have released something - wonder if any mercury? or copper

Have any of you had any good luck with NCD...??? Please post your results.

I still feel terrible because a blood test revealed high mercury - for a blood test to show mercury, this is real bad. Hope it is not affecting my brain - have very tight muscles and brain fog - am allergic to all types of vitamins and minerals right now. Only fish oil 400mgs day and probiotic 30billion cells day, digestive enzymes and organic food. Lots water / mineral water is ok / sea salt-some

Going to start doing 1.2 grams of glutithione IV once per week the next couple months -- its suppoose to clean up the blood....and get me over the first hump..

Taking flax seed powder with hydrated bentonite clay liquid to catch any metals coming out of the colon.

I dont know about algin... does it have iodine if my thyroid is bad. I get real cold sometimes.....


ThankYou




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hi -
after one month, it seems that I can tolerate more NCD than last month. ... Will take it easy though.
I feel like it is clearing things out of me. I had very achey shoulders, stuffy head & sinus issues before NCD. (I always suspected that was from a low grade infection or virus.) I will try approx 6 drops/day for now.
I'm sure I have been messed up for many years, so I'm sure I will not clear out overnight.
I am sure that the fiber smoothie/shakes (as seen on www.askshelley.com) are a good thing while on NCD..also liver support herbs.

How can chelators pull mercury from fillings?Enamel is not composed of living cells .

My experience is that NCD gave me a major crisis at 3 drops X 3 a day - I can do 1 drop X 2 a day. Then after 6 weeks of use I got a major cough for 4 months, and my naturalpath said it was a liver cough, so ncd must have released a lot of something. I definately think NCD is a great thing to take before DMSA or ALA - if you can do 10 drops X 3 a day of NCD then you should be able to do DMSA/ALA/cilantro protocol to get the very last of the metals.

Definately take artichoke drops after meals to clean liver/support digestion and milk thistle drops before bed, or Waiora.com has a detox tea.

I take probiotics (no FOS) 20billion cells after breakfast and digestive enzyme with food (especially if you have gas/bloating etc). I think they say if you have heartburn/acid then you you need HCL Betaine.
http://www.gianteagle.com/healthnotes/Supp/Betaine_HCl.htm
You take 1 capsule after meals - if your stomach is not soar then take an additional capsule 500mg - you should take more until your stomach gets soar and then back down to the appropriate dose.

Be sure to take fiber 2X a day to mop up toxins in the colon. I am not 100% sure if metals are being released - the best thing to do is a challenge test at www.ncdtest.com and you will know for sure what is happening and you can be confident your doing the right thing.....

Take care and good luck

...Well - the cost of the NCD test seems a bit crazy!
ANDREA - are you doing ok?

I managed my acne breakouts w. Pantothenic acid & am able to SLOWLY increase my NCD drop dosage.
I am feeling better in general.. so will press on with it... (NCD)
- I have the sense that I have a "cavitation" but as of now, can not afford to have it checked..

Andrea,
I haven't been on here in a while!! I was wondering how you were doing? Are you still taking the NCD?
I'm still putting along, I still feel good. I'm getting married aug.4th. I plan on having my last two fillings removed after my wedding. I have put it off long enough!! I know the sooner that I get it done the sooner I can get on with my life!!
Have you had any fillings removed? I hope all is well with you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hi Treva. Congratulations on your upcoming marriage. That is so great. I am glad to hear you are still feeling good too.

Well, I've kind of been at a standstill. I'm not taking the NCD right now - I'm not taking anything actually. I was having such a hard time, I took a break from it all. I'm not feeling well - still have the same symptoms. I am hoping to start amalgam removal around the end of July or beginning of August. I do have samples of the replacement materials from my dentist.

It has been very frustrating that I cannot take anything, including the NCD without having severe symptoms. I plan to try the NCD again and spoke to my dentist about it. He wants me to take it on the day of my amalgam removals but wants me to move forward with the removals even if I am having trouble taking it on a daily basis. I am hoping that maybe if I get some of the mercury out of my mouth I will be able to tolerate something. I just hope it does not backfire on me.

Please let me know how you do with your last removals. I know you will continue to feel well because you have detoxed so much already.

When you were sicker, did you have a lot of visual disturbances? I know the problems I have are tied in with the TMJ and myofacial pain. But I am having vision issues (not just sight, but perception, processing) that really scare me at times.

I'm glad you got in touch again. Please keep me posted as to how you are doing.

Take care-

Andrea

Andrea

Its sounds like you are hyper sensitive like me. I would do some liver and immune support before the amalgams are out, I have been putting a plan together for myself the past couple weeks. Here it is:

Program 1 Start August 1st

FIRST THING AM – 2 large glasses water
Beta glucan 1,3,6 – 150mg - 1 X day to start/then 2 day in 8 weeks – 30 min before meals - continue life of detox program
Krill Oil – 1 capsule 15minutes before breakfast with some yogurt – 1 month 1cap pm/adjust
After breakfast and dinner – Boldocynara (milk thistle, dandelion, artichoke, peppermint) – 2X day – 10 drops first – see how feel
Vit B12 sublingual – 500mgs day to start 4 weeks – then 1000
Pycnogenol – 25 mgs x1 day first month, then 2X – anti oxidant - with food
Shake – Goatein, barley grass, blueberries/strawberry and flax fiber with ¼ cap vitamin b homocysteine - add 250mgs (1/2 cap) of bromelain to digest protein
sea salt for minerals
9th week – 1 cap am, pm – Algin/Pectin – Pectasol
Before bed – flax, oat, fiber continue.. Organic Triple Fiber by Renewlife
After 10 weeks – take 6 amalgams out

Program 2

Pectasol chelation complex (algin/pectin) – continue 1 cap am and 1 cap pm – no food 1 hour – do for 8 weeks then
Glutathione enteric coated 250mg – 1 a day – add 1 every 8 weeks to max dose 750 – empty stomach
Refluxx – orange peel and d-limonene – yeast and bacteria – 8 weeks / 2 drops 30min bef meals, then increase to 4 drops/adjust to how feeling.. then start probiotic – 1 cap bef breakfast
Homocysteine – Vit B’s 6,12,folic acid - 1 cap in shake Continue B12
Boldo liver detox continue
Add nettle/horsetail before bed – 5 drops first month, then 10 Adjust to tolerance - lymph and kidney

Program 3 after 4- 6 months

Add in slowly:
Selenium – 25 mgs X 2 day
Zinc – 10 mg X 2
Manganese – 10mgs X 2
Magnesium - 100mgs
Continue pectasol 6-10 months
D3 transdermal
NAC + glutathione caps continue
Krill Oil 2 X 2 day
Kelp 1x day 500mg

Program 4

After 1 year
DMSA – to finish program
Or just do 8 weeks of liver gall bladder detox and 10 mgs DMSA every 4 hours for 2 days on and 6 days off to start - see how feel then 3 on and 8 off
¼ cap R- lipoic acid – increase in 4 weeks if okay – continue for duration of DMSA until blood/hair/urine tests show no mercury
Glutathione capsules
Pectin/algin = 1capx2 then 2x2
2 years completed

Andrea,
sorry to hear that your not doing well!! I had done two heavy metal detoxes prior to me taking the NCD. Little did I know that I could of done serious harm to myself by doing this. You really need to get some fillings out to be able to see a difference. I moved too fast when I did it but It all is paying off now. I had the visual disturbances also <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I really feel for ya!! I started off with detoxamine, small disolving tablets. They are safe to do while having fillings in, then I moved on to the heavy metal cleanse. That did a number on me!! The NCD is soo much better than all of the things that I did prior. Have you looked into taking the Algin? I have heard good things from alot of people on here. Everyone is different, some things work better on others. Not only that but to be able to tolerate your detox. I've learned the hard way you have to take it slow.
I wish you well and hope your removals go smooth for you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Keep in touch!!

i have no connection to the company selling this whatsoever.

i started it again as i get intuition it is now benificial.. i was already in hell, and its making it worse, but i will try it for a year.

our friend did a test. he took heaps of it and had a mercury urine test.
test before- negative etc
test before - positive and i think he said it was 'high'

ok. it works, but for it to measure as mercury but to be caged i do not understand.

my dad did a test

his mercury levels by hair analysis dropped by half, using it alone.

just wanted to say for anyone else going through absolute hell, possibly to not give up on this thing. i will certainly post my progress over the next year.

hell hell hell. + pain i never imagine a human could endure, like i said before.. this mercury problem is off the scale in suffering for me compared to being paralysed for 6 months and unable to talk.. so that would give you an idea of what i'm going through without the details..

please anyone reading this pray for me who believes in prayer.

Ben.

that should read

"test after" when i said it was high and positive, i'm very confused right now

hey, your problem is probably brain mercury. NCD can't remove from the brain. You need to chelate with ALA every 3 hours to do that. But if the NCD removes from the body first it is not a bad thing...

thanks for trying to help, as much of it as possible is what i need.

to give you an idea of where i'm at, even though i must move forward, i can tolerate 1 capsule of ALA every 3 weeks <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Benza, did you try 12.5 mg DMSA every 4 hours for 3 days?

1mg of dmsa == benza in pain

update

am improving on zeolites.

incredible.
long way to go yet though.

Interesting, nobody here has done a urine test before and after NCD. Why not, too lazy? If everyone would do this then you would know if the stuff takes out mercury. I never did it, too lazy

All I know is that the NCD really backs up my liver, its very hard to process the stuff. i start to cough if up the dose after a week or 2. I dont know if its the NCD itself backing up the liver, or toxins its trying to eliminate.....?? makes me wonder

At 2 drop X 2 a day I was getting a reaction. I felt good for about 5 days and then wentt downhill - was some kind of sensitivity adrenaline rush I think was making me feel better, until my adrenals fully crashed.

Alpha lipoic acid sounds okay, and how about just some pure cilantro tincture drops - this is a binder.

*** One word of hope - I have been doing .5 grams of glutithione IV over 30 minutes - this stuff is amazing. I highly recommend - by the time the bag is over your feeling better, clear minded, less inflammation. Would probably want to do this every 5th day or so. Get a package deal for $40 a treatment if you can, or its quite expensive. Be sure they use the bottle up in 5 days or the stuff will spoil and be no good.


I am going to try 1/2 gram of edta IV and then glutithione IV 2 days after. Taking dandelione 2X a day and vitamin c 2X day - 500mgs.
Krill oil seems to be working......
Ionic minerals - 4 drops a day

Wish me luck !!


One other thing, I tried adrenal products and thet all gave me major reactions - if your adrenals are good one day and take the stuff, then get too much cortisol and then you get a reaction, most likely lymphatic cloggage


Has anyone had a major recovery on the NCD?? Talk to me

Kako,

I would not just take ala randomly. Chelation can be a dangerous thing if not done properly. The same is true for DMSA, IV Glutathione, Cilantro etc.

When started i did some of these thing without understanding how chelation works. Well, After a while i felt so bad that thought i would die. Fortunately i did some research and learned how to detox safely. I am doing better now and don't want that other people get hurt.

Mercury detox has nothing to do with luck. You have to know what your are doing or you are playing russian roulette.
Do a lot of research. Talk to other people who got well.

Herb Allure sells a great book. It's called "Amalgam Illness" It explains how mercury detox works. It has helped me lot.

I'd like to second everything BG123 said, especially "Mercury detox has nothing to do with luck"

What does algin and pectin do?

Gut - intestines = remove metals and soak up metals

Does it go into the blood too?

http://www.naturalhealthconsult.com/Monographs/PectaSolChelation.html