HI, I know there are many people on here who are gluten intolerant (as I am myself), but I wonder how many people are aware of the fact there can be more to it than gluten in many of these grains.

I was not aware that not only was rye, barley, wheat, oats a problem, but so was rice and millet in many cases, in fact any or all of these grains can cause ongoing illness in some people due to their toxic effects in the intestines.

There is a programme called "old world grass grain exclusion" and it is specifically to eliminate these grains allowing healing to take place in the gut. THis can only be achieved by excluding these grains, plus milk and especially apples and pears. However, for me? I had to exclude all fruit due to their natural sugars which still feed candida. Milk must be excluded because of the lactose which feeds candida and keeps it going. Potatoes because of natural sugar also.

I found that this made a difference to me, along with healthy fats. I didn't realise how toxic rice was until I finally eliminated it and realised the truth about the old world grass grain diet. FOr some, they need only do the celiac diet (gluten exclusion) and they get results, for others who have very bad ongoing toxicity, they may need to take it a step further and get rid of rice and millet also.

for those still having issues on the typical candida diet, may wish to try this all grain exclusion, plus milk and fruit exclusion and concentrate souly on meat, eggs, vegetables (no potatoes) and good fats to see if over time the symptosm begin to abate.

It's worth it if it works. Yes it is restrictive, but the symptoms from some of these foods can cause total misery in someone's life and if getting rid of them allows for some wellbeing, it's worth the sacrifice. I'm just about to try this again as I had started eating rice again and if I'm not mistaken, this may have caused me much bigger problems than I realise. I can't be sure yet, but I'll keep you posted.

Just thought i'd post this in case anybody was interested. Be aware, there is usually a toxic elimination from doing this and can make a person temporarily ill from withdrawal, e.g. nausea, joint pains, feeling cold, moody and depressed. Does not usually last for too long, but in case anyone decides to try this and finds they feel worse, to let you know that if you get worse? you have probably nailed some of your problem!

I know many things are at the bottom of why so many of us have dietry issues, but until those things are permanently rectified (mercury etc), the sufferings may be worse than necessary if we keep eating this stuff and may block some healing also.