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Hi, I wanted to check out if there were any negative aspects to consuming flaxseed oil. I have been taking it and am somewhat concerned. My health isn't good anyway, but I have failed to make any proper progress since my last cheat on my diet, which was many many weeks ago. Normally, I start improving again after many weeks. Now whether it's coincidence, I've been taking flaxseed oil all this time and have failed to bounce back. I kept thinking that perhaps something is suppressing my immune system more and wondered if it might be this?

I find when I'm already improved, then the addition of flaxseed oil seems not to make much difference (I can maintain things). However, if I've relapsed from a cheat and I'm taking flaxseed oil, it appears that my "recovery" doesn't happen. Like I can't bounce back properly.....it's possible I am imaginging this and it's just me. But right now I'm considering quitting it's consumption to see if there is any improvement.

Take a read of this:

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[b]The Facts on Flax

by Bruce Fife, N.D.

Excerpted from the book 'Saturated Fats May Save Your Life'.

Good and Bad

Studies have shown that people who eat as little as one fish meal a week can reduce their risk of dying from cardiac arrest by fifty percent.1 Fish is without question the best source for omega-3 fatty acids, because it supplies EPA, the direct precursor to PGE3, the compound that initiates protective mechanisms against heart attack. Fish oil supplements are believed to provide the same degree of protection as eating seafood, but many nutritionists do not recommend oil from fish liver because of the possibility of contamination.

Many people nowadays are avoiding all types of meat and meat byproducts, including fish. These people prefer a vegetable source for omega-3 fatty acids. Alpha-linolenic acid, which the body can convert into EPA, is found to some degree in many plants. Flaxseed contains the highest percentage of alpha-linolenic acid (57%) of any commercially grown plant. Because of its high alpha-linolenic acid content, flaxseed oil has become the leading supplemental source for this essential fatty acid.

Over the past several years we have witnessed a flaxseed revolution. A few years ago no one ever heard of flaxseed, nowadays it's considered a new super nutrient. It's been hailed as a panacea for many ills. No respectable health food store would be caught dead without a half dozen assorted varieties available for sale.

Both good and bad can be said about alpha-linolenic acid and flaxseed oil in general. Unfortunately, the bad is ignored in preference to promoting only the good. This has created the misconception that flaxseed oil provides great benefits with little risks. In reality, there are many risks.

Studies suggest that alpha-linolenic acid may be useful in treating numerous conditions. The most notable being: cancer, arthritis, irritable bowel syndrome, hypertension (high blood pressure), heart disease, phrombosis, dermatitis, lupus nephritis, and in lowering total cholesterol. If it can do all this, isn't that proof that flaxseed is a useful dietary supplement? It can appear that way, but if you understand how flaxseed oil works, you would consider it a dangerous drug to be used with extreme caution just as you would other powerful drugs, rather than look at it as a harmless dietary supplement.

The best thing that can be said about alpha-linolenic acid is that it has a neutralizing or balancing effect against the over-consumption of linoleic acid found in vegetable oils. Since vegetable oil consumption can lead to numerous health problems, alpha-linolenic acid can be useful in reversing or preventing these problems. The reason why flaxseed oil has been shown to be useful for so many health problems is because vegetable oils cause so many. Flaxseed can counterbalance these effects. In so doing, however, the body must suffer the ravages of internal warfare.

So in one respect, flaxseed oil can be very useful. But as a consequence, the body must suffer with side effects that can be every bit as destructive as a prescription drug. In most cases, alpha-linolenic acid supplementation is unnecessary because there are other ways to bring the essential fatty acids in our bodies into balance without causing further harm.

Since alpha-linolenic acid is extracted from flaxseed, it is considered a "natural" substance and, therefore, regulated as a dietary supplement. Supplements, for the most part, are relatively harmless. But because flaxseed oil is readily available to anyone, and because it is recommended for the treatment of just about every ailment from stomach ulcers to kidney disease, it is easy to take too much, and instead of suffering from an excess of omega-6, like most everyone else, you may suffer from an excess of omega-3. The effects can be just as bad, if not worse.

Dangers of Flaxseed Oil

Heart Disease

There is a great deal of evidence on flaxseed oil which suggest that it isn't the best thing to be eating in its concentrated, refined state.

Alpha-linolenic acid from flaxseed affects the liver's ability to process certain nutrients. For example, it inhibits the production of enzymes necessary to synthesize cholesterol. Some people may consider this a positive effect because it lowers the body's total cholesterol level. Others question any substance that stifles the body's normal metabolic processes. Cholesterol which is formed in the liver is not the same as the cholesterol that clogs the arteries. So inhibiting the liver's production of cholesterol does not affect cardiovascular health. The cholesterol that contributes to plaque in the arteries is oxidized cholesterol. Non-oxidized cholesterol does not clog arteries, but is used in cell membranes. nerve tissue, and as part of the brain, and therefore is an important and necessary component of our bodies.

Our intestines absorb fats from the foods we eat and package them together into small bundles called lipoproteins. Lipoproteins are then released into the bloodstream and transported throughout the body. As they are carried through the circulatory system, fat is dispersed and picked up by our cells.

Polyunsaturated oils, including flaxseed oil, are easily oxidized. When it oxidizes it kicks off a series of free-radical chain reactions that affects all molecules around it. Millions of molecules can be destroyed or oxidized by the generation of a single free radical. Cholesterol that is in close proximity to a polyunsaturated oil that is becoming oxidized, as is the case in lipoproteins, will also become oxidized. These oxidized, free-radical damaged oils are absorbed into the lining of the artery walls and contribute to the formation of plaque. Non-oxidized fats are incorporated into the cells as they should be, and do not end up as plaque deposits. Here is the warning: even though alpha-linolenic acid may lower total cholesterol, it actually contributes to atherosclerosis and all forms of cardiovascular disease. It does this by causing the oxidization of cholesterol and other fats, both of which are components to arterial plaque.2

All polyunsaturated oils provide a source of free radicals which can damage arterial walls which initiates the plaque-building process. PGE2 derived from vegetable oils constricts blood vessels and increases platelet stickiness, which raises blood pressure and causes further damage to arterial walls. When injury occurs to the artery in this type of environment, oxidized fat is attracted to and incorporated into the injury site. Because platelets become sticky, blood clots easily form on injured artery walls. These clots can grow big enough to block an artery or break off and float down and lodge into a smaller artery. When an artery is clogged, cells are deprived of much needed oxygen, causing tissue death. In the heart it can cause a heart attack; in the brain it can cause a stroke. Studies show that lipid peroxides (oxidized vegetable oils) are associated with coronary heart disease, caused by enhanced free-radical formation.3

It is interesting to note that the countries that consume the most vegetable oils are also the ones that have the highest death rate from heart attack and stroke.

The effects of free-radical damage and plaque buildup are partially offset by the fact that PGE3 from the alpha-linolenic acid in flaxseed oil makes platelets in the blood less sticky and diminishes vasoconstriction (widens artery passageways), so positive results could be deducted. The stickiness of the blood and widening of the artery passageways are temporary benefits that occur only as long as PGE3 is in the blood. PGE3 has a short life so must be replenished continually to retain benefits. Plaque, on the other hand, represents long-term damage that won't just go away once the cause has been removed. In brief, what I'm saying here is that flaxseed oil can have short-term benefits, but because it is highly susceptible to free-radical generation, in the long run it can actually contribute to cardiovascular disease. It's ironic that a substance recommended to help prevent heart disease can actually contribute to it!

This may be difficult for some people to believe because many people who are at high risk of having a heart attack have been able to reduce their symptoms (such as lower blood cholesterol and blood pressure) after taking flaxseed oil. One well-known nutritionist (name of this person, with whom I am personally acquainted, is not included so as to protect privacy) who promoted the use and benefits of omega-3 fatty acids as healthy for the cardiovascular system and even wrote a popular book about it, suffered a heart attack himself. He was considered an expert on the health benefits of flaxseed oil. He ate very little meat, avoided saturated fat like the plague, and faithfully took flaxseed oil supplements every day for many years. But it didn't work. Flaxseed oil helped to keep his cholesterol level and blood pressure within normal ranges, but he still developed cardiovascular disease and suffered a heart attack. The flaxseed oil only masked the symptoms, it did not prevent the disease. It is interesting to note that he ate a heart-healthy diet full of fresh fruits and vegetables and low in animal fats. But he continued to supplement his diet with vegetable oils, particularly flaxseed oil. If it didn't protect him, how can we expect it to help us?

Keep in mind that I am referring primarily to oxidized flaxseed oil, the type that is usually sold as a dietary supplement and not fresh oil. Some brands of flaxseed oil are preserved with natural antioxidants such as vitamin E which will prolong their shelf life. But even they will oxidize if too old or not stored or handled properly.

The oil industry tries to downplay the danger of free-radical damage that can be caused by flaxseed and other polyunsaturated oils. They admit that oxidation of their products poses a potential problem, but stress the benefits outweigh the risks. They have done a great deal of research and have accumulated a long list of health conditions for which flaxseed and other oils have shown to be of benefit. Many of these degenerative conditions, as you have seen, are a result of too much linoleic acid from vegetable oils rather than from a deficiency in alpha-linolenic acid. Just simply reducing the intake of vegetable oils is all that is needed to reestablish the body's balance.

[b]A Safe and Natural Product? [/b]

One of the loudest claims we hear for the use of flaxseed oil is for its cancer-fighting ability. Cancer is the second leading cause of death in Western countries. If alpha-linolenic acid from flaxseed oil can prevent or cure cancer it would be a very valuable remedy. Many studies have been undertaken which show alpha-linolenic acid has potent anticancer properties. There is no question in this regard, the studies are clear. Because alpha-linolenic acid comes from flaxseed oil, which is considered a "natural" product, the health food industry and natural health care practitioners have embraced it as a miracle worker.

There are some problems, however. Flaxseed oil can hardly be classified as a "natural" product. It is highly processed and refined, making it no more natural than white sugar (or even aspirin which originally came from the bark of the white willow tree). Many of the synergistic elements of the whole plant are removed to obtain a pure oil just as all the phytochemicals, vitamins, and minerals are removed from sugar beets to make sugar (or the willow plant to refine aspirin, although nowadays aspirin is synthetically manufactured). The oil resembles a drug more than a food. Depending on your viewpoint of medicine, this isn't necessarily bad, but it certainly can't be considered natural.

I classify flaxseed oil as a drug, because that is how it works against cancer. Most people who hear that flaxseed oil has anticancer properties assume it to be a safe natural product without harmful side effects that will protect them from cancer. Many start taking it regularly just as a precaution. What they don't know, and what the oil industry doesn't publicize, is that the anticancer properties of flaxseed oil are a result of free-radical damage to cancerous tissues and not to any healthful properties of the oil itself!

Flaxseed oil and other polyunsaturated oils create so many destructive free radicals in the body that they can actually kill cancer cells.4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11

The theory behind this process is that cancer cells are diseased and, therefore, weakened. Free-radical reactions will further weaken and kill these cells. Although free radicals affect the entire body, including healthy cells, the weakest cells will die off first. This is the same type of process that happens in chemotherapy.

Chemotherapy drugs are highly toxic and affect the entire body. The cancer cells, being abnormal, are less capable of resisting these drugs, are the first to die. The entire body is poisoned in the process, but normal cells are better able to withstand and recover from the drugs. Flaxseed oil is used in exactly the same manner and is, therefore, no different than chemotherapy drugs.

The most obvious drawback to chemotherapy are the side effects. While chemotherapy drugs attack the entire body, the strongest effects take place where cells grow (he fastest such as the bone marrow, the intestinal lining, the hair follicles, and the mouth, sometimes causing a variety of severe side effects. The side effects from flaxseed therapy can be just as damaging. This is not a harmless nor a natural remedy for cancer.

The effects of free-radical damage from flaxseed oil are not immediately evident. Your hair doesn't fall out after a couple of months of treatment like it might with chemotherapy. The damage caused by free radicals may not surface for several years. By this time, the effects of degeneration may be attributed to any number of factors and thus divert the blame away from the real cause.

Researchers know that it's the free-radical chain reactions that kill the cancer because when antioxidants, such as vitamin E, are given at the same time, flaxseed oil has no anticancer effects. The vitamin E stops the oxidation of the oil within the body and thus prevents the formation of free radicals. Without free radicals roaming around inside the body tearing up the cells, the cancer remains unharmed.12,13

It's interesting to note that vitamin E is also known to have anticancer properties. But it works in a totally different way, supporting the body's natural healing mechanisms rather than poisoning it.14 Our cells naturally contain antioxidants to protect them against renegade free radicals, but if free-radical exposure is excessively high, as it can be when large amounts of vegetable oils are consumed, they will exhaust the cells antioxidant reserves and cause cellular damage.15

While polyunsaturated oils can be used to fight cancer, they have also been shown to cause it as well. Studies have shown that oils rich in linoleic acid (omega-6) promote the growth of cancer cells while fish oils can depress or stimulate tumor growth depending on the dose.16 Too many omega-6 derived prostaglandins (PGE2) encourage breast cancer.17,18

Free-Radical Cures

The concept of using free radicals from polyunsaturated oils to fight cancer has been applied to other pathologic conditions. Flaxseed oil has been used successfully to kill the microscopic parasites which cause malaria. It has been noted that individuals who have low antioxidant reserves. For one reason or another, are known to be more resistant to malaria. Exposure to substances that produce free radicals provides ammunition to attack and kill the parasites. While having an antioxidant deficiency is not desirable because it allows free radicals to damage cells, it also allows those same free radicals to destroy troublesome microorganisms. In people who do not have an antioxidant deficiency, flaxseed oil can generate enough free radicals to overcome the body's reserves and kill the parasites which cause malaria.19

Polyunsaturated fat-induced free radicals have also been shown to be toxic to other microorganisms. Researchers have shown it to inhibit the growth of Helicobactor pylori bacteria which is credited with causing 90 percent of all stomach ulcers.20

Take a moment and consider this: if free radicals can kill rapidly growing cancer cells and microorganisms roaming around our bodies, what do they do to our own cells? It is assumed that normal cells are not affected by free radicals because they contain antioxidant bodyguards. But these reserves can be quickly depleted by repeated free-radical attack. It is assumed that cancer cells lack adequate antioxidant defenders and so are more susceptible to the destructive action of free radicals. The lack of antioxidants in diseased cells, however, may have been one of the reasons why cancer developed in the first place. Free radicals can interrupt the cell's ability to function normally, causing it to become cancerous. This may be one reason why linoleic acid from vegetable oil promotes cancer (see references above). Flooding the body with more free radicals to treat any illness seems crazy. It may provide some help immediately, but in the long run it could cause serious physical degeneration and illness.

Inflammatory Disease

Flaxseed oil has also been recommended as an aid in treating a variety of inflammatory diseases. Since PGE3, which is synthesized in the body from flaxseed oil, has an anti-inflammatory effect, it makes sense that it would also help reduce inflammation caused by inflammatory illnesses. Some of the inflammatory conditions that flaxseed oil has been recommended for include arthritis, allergies, psoriasis, chronic bronchitis, and colitis.

Inflammation in itself is not a disease; it is a natural and essential process in the body's effort to fight disease and speed healing. The inflammatory process is an important part of our body's system of healing itself. Normally, inflammation speeds healing.

Chronic inflammation is caused by a chronic health problem. Inflammation is the body's healing response to that problem. Inflammation, however, promotes swelling and the buildup of pressure which increases pain. Reducing inflammation reduces the pain, but it also hampers the body's ability to heal itself. Anti-inflammatory medications do nothing to heal the condition, they only lesson the pain. It's nice to reduce pain, since most of us don't like it, but in doing so you also reduce the body's ability to heal itself. Also, since pain is removed there is a tendency to overuse the injured tissues causing further damage and encouraging more inflammation. More anti-inflammatory medications are needed and the cycle continues with the diseased or injured tissues getting worse and worse. The reason anti-inflammatory medications are used is because there isn't anything else medically that can be done to relieve the symptoms. So it's a catch-22 situation.

The production of PGE3 is only part of the reason why flaxseed oil reduces inflammation. A far stronger anti-inflammatory mechanism is actually at work here. The effectiveness of flaxseed in suppressing the body's inflammatory response mechanism is related to the destructive action of free radicals.21,22

Yes, free radicals again. Much like its effect on cancer, free radicals attacking the cells will suppress the body's ability to respond to injury and disease, thus reducing inflammation. Contrary to popular opinion, researchers have shown time and time again that flaxseed oil and other poly-unsaturated oils depress the immune system and hamper the body's ability to heal.23,24,25,26,27

Flaxseed oil and other polyunsaturated oils (i.e., linoleic acid, gamma-linolenic acid, DGLA, AA, EPA, and DHA) suppress the production and activity of our white blood cells&emdash;the work force of our immune system. In fact, these oils can even kill them.28 These are the cells that attack and clean out invading microorganisms, cancer cells, toxins, and other harmful substances from our bodies. They are vital to our health and must be present in large enough numbers to repel attack from viruses and bacteria. When we get an infection, the body's inflammatory response kicks in, stimulating the increased production of white blood cells to fight the invaders. The more white blood cells we have surging through our veins, the stronger will be our defense and the quicker our recovery. Vegetable oils, therefore, slow our recovery from both acute infectious illness as well as from chronic disease. Inflammation is reduced, not by PGE3, but primarily by this destructive action of free-radical stress on the immune system. It suppresses the body's ability to heal itself and in so doing, inflammation response is reduced.

Depressed Immunity

Oil manufacturers and the health care providers who believe their propaganda claim that flaxseed oil and other polyunsaturated oils will stimulate the immune system. They may even be able to cite studies to prove their position. Sounds good, but it's only partly true.

Polyunsaturated oils have both a stimulatory and depressive effect on the immune system. We never hear about the depressive effects&emdash;that doesn't sell products. The stimulatory effects aren't that wonderful either, and can be misrepresented as being beneficial. Let me explain.

Studies show (see references above) that essential fatty acids interfere with the normal production of certain substances produced by the white blood cells in the process of fighting an illness. It's like a prankster turning the water hose off while firemen are spraying down a raging fire. These oils hamper the normal function of the white blood cells. In this respect they depress the immune system's ability to function at the level for which it was designed.

At the same time these oils also act as a stimulant, the same as any toxin or disease-causing germ might. The body recognizes a harmful substance and is stimulated into feverish activity to protect itself. This is how polyunsaturated fatty acids "stimulate" our immune system. They are not strengthening the immune system, they are stressing it! Why would the white blood cells start producing substances to protect the body when they encounter polyunsaturated oil? Think about it. What causes the immune system to kick into high gear? It does so in response to a threat to health. When the body senses a threat from any toxic substance it signals the immune system into increased activity. To say flaxseed oil is good for you because it stimulates the immune system is like saying small pox and bubonic plague are good for you because they, too stimulate the immune system.

When we consume polyunsaturated oils, it is like eating a group of arsonists who run around our bodies lighting little fires (starting free-radical chain reactions). The fire department, or our immune system, is called into action to douse these potentially lethal fires. The firemen (the white blood cells) are stimulated into action, but if their hoses are turned off by free-radical pranksters, they are ineffective in accomplishing their mission.

To credit flaxseed oil for stimulating the immune system is like crediting arsonists for calling out the fire department and then sabotaging their water hoses. The overall effect of eating any polyunsaturated oil is to burden and depress the immune system.

The immunosuppressive effects of vegetable oils have been known for many years. Ray Peat, Ph.D., explains that "Vegetable oil is recognized as a drug for knocking out the immune system."29 At one time "vegetable oil emulsions were used to nourish cancer patients, but it was discovered that the unsaturated oils were suppressing their immune systems. The same products, in which vegetable oil is emulsified with water for intravenous injection, are now marketed specifically for the purpose of suppressing immunity in patients who have had organ transplants. Using the oils in foods has the same harmful effect on the immune system."30 Unsaturated fats not only suppress the immune system but can even kill white blood cells.31

You have to be very careful when someone tells you some substance "stimulates" the immune system. Does it stimulate it like bubonic plague or small pox or does it support it like vitamin C? There is a world of difference. The first stimulates it into action to defend itself while the second does not "stimulate" it but strengthens it, making it work more effectively.

Vitamin E Deficiency

Another threat that can result from the over-consumption of flaxseed oil and as well as other polyunsaturated vegetable oils is vitamin E deficiency.32 Polyunsaturated oils, because they are extremely vulnerable to oxidation and free-radical formation, quickly devour our vitamin E reserves. Vitamin E acts as an antioxidant that stops free-radical chain reactions. In the process, vitamin E is consumed. The most obvious consequence of depleted vitamin E reserves is that we lose our most important bodyguard against free-radical destruction. Without sufficient vitamin E reserves, free-radical chain reactions and damage can wreak havoc on our bodies, allowing free-radical wrecking crews to roam through our bodies with little restraint. Since free radicals are involved in numerous degenerative conditions and accelerated aging, this can have a pronounced effect on overall health and put a heavy burden on the immune system.

When the body loses vitamin E, it causes the breakdown and destruction of red blood cells, producing anemia. People who are anemic may believe their condition is due to lack of iron when it is really caused by a lack of vitamin E resulting from the consumption of too much flaxseed or vegetable oil. Very few people are actually deficient in iron, especially nowadays with vitamins readily available and so many foods being fortified with this mineral.

Vitamin E is necessary for healthy nerves and muscles. A lack of the vitamin can cause degeneration and weakness which can make walking difficult, even causing severe pain in calf muscles and a loss of coordination.

Breast lumps and cancer can also result in the depletion of vitamin E reserves.33 The most common cause of breast lumps is fibrocystic breast disease. In recent decades. fibrocystic breast disease has become a very common affliction among women in Western countries. Although the majority of these tumorous masses are benign, as much as 20 percent may be malignant.

Some manufacturers add vitamin E to their oil supplements. They don't do this to help you prevent deficiency necessarily, they do it to preserve the oil because they know it is oxidizing while it is sitting in the warehouse and on the store shelves. By the time you eat it, the vitamin E has been used up so it provides you no nutritive value from this vitamin.

Money Talks

True blue flaxseed fans will find the statements made in this chapter hard to accept because they have heard over and over again how good flaxseed is for us. Of course you hear this; it comes from the people selling the product and from people brainwashed by marketing propaganda. I didn't make up these facts. The research has proven it. You never hear about the negative aspects of these oils because the dissemination of research information is done by the food and supplement industry. They are naturally biased in the material they publicize. Nobody is going to spend money publicizing negative information, because there is no profit in it. You can't make money by not selling a product. So all you ever hear are the positive things. You hear flaxseed is good against cancer and inflammatory disease, but you never hear why it is. We just assume that because flaxseed is a so-called "natural" product, it must be good for us.

I must clarify one point. Flaxseed can be useful just as any drug can be for certain conditions. But like other drugs, it has serious side effects. The damage caused by vegetable oils works slowly so the effects may not manifest themselves for years. By that time the physical deterioration caused by free-radical damage will be credited to age, genetics, or some other cause. If you believe in using drugs, then go ahead and use flaxseed oil. If you want to avoid drugs and prefer to use natural, harmless, remedies, you don't want flaxseed or any other polyunsaturated oil supplements. Flaxseed oil supplements can be useful like any other drug, but they are not natural and they are not harmless!

While I've focused on flaxseed oil in the above discussion, when I refer to vegetable oils I am referring to all vegetable oils, both those used in cooking and those sold as supplements. You hear a lot about evening primrose, black currant, and borage oils. These oils are predominantly composed of linoleic acid (omega-6) and affect the body in the same way as cooking oils do. Since most of us consume far too much linoleic acid as it is, taking this oil in supplemental form just compounds the problem. Like flaxseed oil, they generate free radicals, suppress the immune system, etc. Researchers have expressed caution in their use.34,35,36,37

If someone recommends that you take flaxseed oil, evening primrose oil, or any other oil supplement, ask them why? What will it do for you? They may say it lowers cholesterol, reduces inflammation, or whatever. Then ask them how it works? Ask them what is the mechanism that makes the oil do what it is supposed to do? Listen to their answer. Chances are, they don't know. Most people, including health care practitioners, don't have any idea how the oils work. They just take it on faith from what they have heard or read somewhere. Many health care practitioners get their information from marketing materials distributed by drug and supplement companies. Many authors who write health books and magazine articles get their knowledge from the same sources. These aren't reliable resources! They're advertisements and, therefore, very biased, and at times, misleading. After all, their purpose is not to educate, but to sell a product.

Will you take these oils to reduce inflammation even if you know free radicals are the primary reason they work and that they are destroying cells throughout your body at the same time? Will you take them to reduce cholesterol even though you know they inhibit normal liver function and may cause liver stress or even damage? That is the decision you must make. If you had a sliver in your finger, would you chop off your finger to prevent infection? No, there are simpler, safer methods of dealing with the problem.

The fact that omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids can be detrimental to your health goes contrary to most of the things you hear about these oils. Again, this is because the food and drug industry has brainwashed us into believing this.

In writing this book I've avoided company propaganda and gathered all my facts directly from scientific and medical journals and from first-hand observation and clinical studies. This book was written to awaken the public to the plain facts on oils and health.

Precautions for Use of Flaxseed Oil

Despite the health hazards of flaxseed oil, there may be incidences where it can be useful for a limited amount of time under the supervision of a knowledgeable health care professional. For example, if your blood pressure is dangerously high, it can help to lower it quickly. But it should be used only as a temporary measure while other, safer but slower methods, such as diet and lifestyle changes, have time to take effect.

Like linoleic acid (omega-6) from vegetable oil, alpha-linolenic acid (omega-3) from flaxseed oil is polyunsaturated. What this means is that it readily oxidizes to form destructive free-radical chain reactions. In this respect, alpha-linolenic acid is worse than linoleic acid because it is even more polyunsaturated and, therefore, more susceptible to oxidative damage. Linoleic acid has two carbon double bonds&emdash;the sites where free-radical reactions occur. Alpha-linolenic acid has three carbon double bonds. While linoleic acid is twice as likely to be degraded by oxidation as oleic acid (a monounsaturated acid like olive oil), alpha-linolenic acid is three times more susceptible to oxidation.

Because flaxseed oil oxidizes very easily you must keep it tightly closed and stored in the refrigerator. Never buy flaxseed oil that is not refrigerated or not stored in a dark bottle. Oxygen, heat (even room temperature), and light break down flaxseed oil very quickly. Flaxseed oil should be used within a month or so after purchasing. It should not taste like turpentine or household paint, but have a mild, pleasant taste. If it tastes bad, it's far too oxidized and you are doing more harm to your health than good by eating it. The biggest problem with many flaxseed oil supplements is that they are too old, even before you buy them. After they are manufactured and bottled, they sit in warehouses, trucks, and store shelves for who knows how long. Most flaxseed oil is rancid, even those in capsule form.

The flaxseed itself, rather than the oil, would be a better source for alpha-linolenic acid because the oil in the seed remains fresh, for the most part, until the seed is broken (ground) or heated, and retains all the natural antioxidants, vitamins, and minerals found in the seed.

Flaxseed Meal and Fiber

Because flaxseed oil supplements are often degraded by oxidation, they become a health hazard. Some of the alpha-linolenic acid will still be converted into PGE3, but a lot will just cause destructive free-radical chain reactions. A much safer source for alpha-linolenic acid from flax is through the seed itself.

The seed eaten whole or ground into a meal provides health benefits unrelated to its oil content. Many of the health claims you hear attributed to flaxseed oil are not really a product of the oil, but of the fiber in the seed.

Flaxseed is high in fiber, particularly lignans. This fiber helps to move digested food particles through the digestive tract, increasing bowel movements, pulling toxins and cholesterol out with it, and thus promoting intestinal health. Because of its ability to remove carcinogenic substances, it is useful in the prevention of colon cancer.38

Flaxseed ground into a meal and added to flour and then baked into muffins has shown to lower total cholesterol. This is due to the ability of the fiber to bind with cholesterol-rich bile acid and carry it out of the body.39

Lignans have antioxidant effects that help to keep the oil in the seed from oxidizing before and after it's been eaten and helps to support the antioxidant processes in our bodies.

Intestinal bacteria convert some of the lignans into hormone-like compounds called phytoestrogens. These phytoestrogens, or plant estrogens, bind to estrogen receptors in the cells and produce estrogen-like effects which influence hormone production, metabolism, and biological activity. This process provides protection against some types of cancer, particularly breast, colon, and prostate cancer.40,41,42

These phytoestrogens also exert some degree of protection against the loss of calcium and so have been considered of possible benefit in treating osteoporosis.43

The greatest degree of protection comes to those who have a healthy digestive tract because the type of flora present will affect the production of the phytochemicals.

Keep in mind that it's the fiber content in the flaxseed that produces these benefits and not the oil. In fact, flaxseed oil in some cases can have the opposite effects. Some studies show that too much of the oil can contribute to calcium loss in bones.44

In order to get the most benefit from the lignans and other fibers in flaxseed, as well as the oil, flaxseed must be ground before eating. Whole flaxseed can be eaten, but it simply goes through the body without doing much. Flaxseed should be eaten as soon as possible after is has been ground into a meal. Once the seed has been broken, it is exposed to oxygen, and the enzymes and antioxidants that have kept the oils fresh now rapidly disintegrate. The longer the meal sits before it's eaten, the more oxidation or free-radical damage occurs. It's just like an apple. The inside will stay fresh and white for weeks, but after it is cut and exposed to oxygen in the air, it takes only a few minutes to turn brown. The brown is caused by oxidation just as oxidation affects the exposed oils in the flaxseed.

Fresh flaxseed contains antioxidants such as vitamin E. The antioxidants are necessary for the stability of the oil both in the seed and in the body. When oil is extracted and refined, the natural antioxidants disintegrate rapidly. The oil loses its protection and quickly becomes rancid.

Flaxseed meal can be added to any baked or cook dish&emdash;breads, muffins, pancakes, casseroles, etc. You should not eat it raw! Raw flaxseed contains a toxin called thio-cyanate&emdash;a cyanide-like compound. This toxin can be found in the blood after eating raw flaxseed. Cooking neutralizes this compound, making it harmless.45,46 By far the best way to eat flaxseed oil is in its natural state by grinding the seed into meal and adding it to a cooked dish.

Reprinted with the permission of the author and publisher. ©1999 by Bruce Fife
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Several studies in humans suggest an increased risk of prostate cancer with increased intake of alpha-linolenic acid (which is present in flaxseed). Based on the available research, men with prostate cancer or at risk for prostate cancer should avoid flaxseed and alpha-linolenic acid supplements. Demark-Wahnefried et al (2001) said about their study, "[t]hese pilot data suggest that a flaxseed-supplemented, fat-restricted diet may affect prostate cancer biology and associated biomarkers. Further study is needed to determine the benefit of this dietary regimen as either a complementary or preventive therapy."

Also, Carlin noted (2001) that saliva causes cancer, "[ b]ut apparently only when swallowed in small amounts over a long period of time."

References:

Carlin, George (2001). Napalm & Silly Putty, Hyperion

Demark-Wahnefried, Wendy; et al (2001). Pilot study of dietary fat restriction and flaxseed supplementation in men with prostate cancer before surgery: exploring the effects on hormonal levels, prostate-specific antigen, and histopathologic features. Urology, 58(1), 47-52



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Thanks, good article. I don't take it anymore and take metal free Fish Oil instead of this, don't know if that can be bad but it is better than Flaxseed IMO. I have tasted the ones that taste like house paint as well like the article mentioned, no doubt the ones I get are rancid or have been in the past and did more harm than good. Do you know anything about Fish Oil and if is is bad for you?


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Hi Sean,

I have not heard anything bad about fish oil, only good. I've heard a lot of good about flaxseed oil, but never the bad *until now*. Yet the flaxseed oil I used is organic and tastes just fine (in yoghurt). It is not rancid either, I can tell when I smell it. When it does become rancid, it's obvious by the smell.

But regardless, I am still a bit concerned by the article, so I'm going to just lay off it for awhile and see if there are any improvements. It's highly possible that my problems lately are due to strenous work at kindergartens, which my health is not up for. I have really gone down hill. I am trying to find ways that might help me and giving up flaxseed oil is probably pretty pointless, but it's worth a try I guess.


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Wow, this changes a lot for me. I have been drinking a load of flaxseed oil lately as I read it has been known to cure agoraphobia. I drank up to 500ml a month!

I was due for a new bottle tomorrow but I am going to buy the seeds instead. I will bake it into my bread.

I don't understand how baking it keeps the nutrients. Also, how long do the nutrients stay in the bread after it's baked? I usually have my loaf going for about a week.

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I would not wish to put you off if it is helping you. but i think it's wise to hear anything that might be risky about something. I am not certain either way!

not sure about the nutrients remaining after baking and how long they remain potent.

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I stopped taking flaxseed oil too, didn't make me feel that great... but ground flaxseed (in baked goods) seems to have a positive effect on me. How what or why I really don't know but taking flaxseed oil everyday is not a substitute for a good cod liver oil supplement.

Thanks for the article it seems to provide an explanation. That is sort of it feels like for sure when eating flaxseed oil everyday, depressed immune response...

Borage oil, on the other hand, makes me feel great.

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Yeah, I started to wonder if something was up. The sense was indeed suppressed immunity, but I still cannot be certain. I'm going to go off it for a week or so and see if there is any difference.

I agree, cod liver oil would beat flaxseed hands down in my opinion. Not only is it rich in omega 3, but it is rich in naturally occuring vitamin A and D. On top of this, some people do not benefit from flaxseed oil due to inablity to convert what it contains into omega 3.

So there are a few issues with it for sure.

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Yeah, I started to wonder if something was up. The sense was indeed suppressed immunity, but I still cannot be certain. I'm going to go off it for a week or so and see if there is any difference.

I agree, cod liver oil would beat flaxseed hands down in my opinion. Not only is it rich in omega 3, but it is rich in naturally occuring vitamin A and D. On top of this, some people do not benefit from flaxseed oil due to inablity to convert what it contains into omega 3.

So there are a few issues with it for sure.
Yes the Omega three needs less of a conversion in the body from Fish Oil, it is readily available. If you have any kind of damage or a lack of vitamins or minerals it will not convert correct? Fish Oil also has the DHA in it! Flaxseeds Fatty Acids need to be converted through steps to make DHA in your body, and how much actually is made when it's all said and done in our damaged body's? Heck we in here are already all messed up lol. I use Fish Oil and Primrose oild pretty much, they do just fine.


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Hi Sean, either way it seems that flaxseed oil may cause some problems inside the body and for someone like me with a suppressed immmunity? I cannot afford anything else to go wrong. I am already noticing a difference by the way. It's only been a couple of days and I am now waking up earlier in the morning and I feel clearer as though things are now happening. Again could be coincidence.

I'm scared of speaking too soon, and next week will be a good test because I'll be doing some work experience. I haven't been coping with that at all, but without the flaxseed oil I am hoping that things will be different. If not, then I guess my flaxseed oil test may have failed, but either way I don't think I'll be having it again anyway. I really don't like alot of what I read in that article. It seems genuine to me.



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Hi Sean, either way it seems that flaxseed oil may cause some problems inside the body and for someone like me with a suppressed immmunity? I cannot afford anything else to go wrong. I am already noticing a difference by the way. It's only been a couple of days and I am now waking up earlier in the morning and I feel clearer as though things are now happening. Again could be coincidence.

I'm scared of speaking too soon, and next week will be a good test because I'll be doing some work experience. I haven't been coping with that at all, but without the flaxseed oil I am hoping that things will be different. If not, then I guess my flaxseed oil test may have failed, but either way I don't think I'll be having it again anyway. I really don't like alot of what I read in that article. It seems genuine to me.


Bex to tell you the truth I am so excited now man, I tried some Kelp for a week and now Dulse as well to replace Iodine and I feel unbelievable for once! I feel great tonight man! I use Goji Berries too, which is #1 in chinese medicine I believe! I feel out of my mind, energy through the roof!!!!!!! THYROID working again for once? Maybe, maybe I speak to soon! But I feel great right now, pure blyss!!!! I take Zinc too, 30 MG of Citrate again, and I feel great again! Could mineral deficiencies be my problem and not what I thought? Could Iodine be that missing from me that I feel this good again all of sudden? I took FISH OIL too today two teaspoons. I going add Reishi Mushroom as well to boost immunity, and I take Spirulina everyday now as well. Could I have found my niche? I don't know if I did, but I hope so.

BTW I got really itchy and hot today and other days, but I felt great, could those things be detoxing me as well? Iodine a detox or the Kelp or Dulse? Maybe.

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Hi Sean,

That is great to hear!!!! What were you doing before the extra iodine? Were you taking anything containing much iodine before? Or is this the first for you supplementing it?

Yes, it is possible to feel much better with replacing the things mercury depletes and displaces, but it can also cause a detox eruption. So it's possible you might be experiencing both? Which is a good sign! Hot and itchy can be a sign of healing. It has been mentioned a few times on another forum regarding healing crisis and itching is one of the signals. That's why some think they are allergically reacting and may not be. I also experienced this when I was eliminating metals/toxins through my skin. Heating up from exercise/bathing increases it even moreso. You can REALLY itch like mad when that happens.

Did you read the articles I put up on here about iodine and mercury? If not, take a look at this:
Iodine. Bring back the universal nutrient in medicine.

Iodine and chelation

And that might also explain why you have been gaining even more improvements, as well as benefits from goji juice, spirulina etc. Good going, I'd say you are gaining many benefits from the many trace elements/vitamins/minerals they contain. Something is happening anyway and it sounds good. The reason mercury causes so many symptoms is not just directly, but also from the deficiencies it causes.

Don't feel bad if you start feeling unwell again, as sometimes more mercury fills you up as it's coming to the surface and you feel like you're being dragged under again. That "can" happen, though not necessarily. Depends how well your body is catching up with what is coming out. But this is a good sign you're doing the right thing.


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Sean I believe you are going through the iodine detox. When I started taking iodine I also had the hot flashes, itching and increased energy. Obviously the hot flashes were not pleasant, but the energy was amazing.

Some days though the energy was a bit TOO much and I was hyper. Now I was taking 3 Iodoral a day. I didn't start this at once. I added a pill every other week. Taking large doses of iodine is something you should research on your own. I don't want to tell you to do something that may be bad for your body.

I still take 1 Iodoral a day as a maintenance dose. This protects me from fluoride and bromide that I may come across from living in this toxic world.

I know I've posted this before, but I really recommend reading the Iodine supplementation boards on Curezone. You can read other people's stories on there or even post if you'd like.
http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=815

Oh and I would look into doing Salt loading. Bromine can really be wicked when it starts to come out of the body. The salt loading help to pass it through your body faster. I did this quite often. Here is a website that talks about the salt dosing.
http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/drshevin.html

Iodine-related bromide symptoms may include but are not be limited to:
eye lid twitching
foot twitching
tingling in hands or feet
dark thoughts (e.g., there is no reason to live)
depression (e.g., there is no reason to get out of bed)
anxiety
emotionality
mouth and tongue sores and cuts or "sore mouth"
"different" acne,"bromide acne," "acne-like eruptions" without "coniform." (Some iodine
users found zinc helps bromide acne.)
skin "cuts"
hair loss
brain fog
leg and hip ache (feels like arthritis)
rash (bromaderma)
metallic taste
sinus ache
runny nose
headache
sedation
lethargy
odd swallowing sensation (reported in old medical literature as "swollen glottis")
body odor (bromos is Greek for stench)
unusual urine odor
dry mouth
ureteral spasm, frequent urination (mistaken for urinary infection)
diarrhea
constipation
vision changes
irritability
increased salivation
dream changes
hormone changes
kidney pain


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I don't notice any difference when I take flaxseed oil and when I don't.
I wouldn't take it at all if I ate fish. But, I am a staunch vegetarian so killing a fish is out of the question.

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Iodine-related bromide symptoms may include but are not be limited to:
eye lid twitching
foot twitching
tingling in hands or feet
dark thoughts (e.g., there is no reason to live)
depression (e.g., there is no reason to get out of bed)
anxiety
emotionality
mouth and tongue sores and cuts or "sore mouth"
"different" acne,"bromide acne," "acne-like eruptions" without "coniform." (Some iodine
users found zinc helps bromide acne.)
skin "cuts"
hair loss
brain fog
leg and hip ache (feels like arthritis)
rash (bromaderma)
metallic taste
sinus ache
runny nose
headache
sedation
lethargy
odd swallowing sensation (reported in old medical literature as "swollen glottis")
body odor (bromos is Greek for stench)
unusual urine odor
dry mouth
ureteral spasm, frequent urination (mistaken for urinary infection)
diarrhea
constipation
vision changes
irritability
increased salivation
dream changes
hormone changes
kidney pain
Hi Birdlady, this list caught my eye. I have many of these symptoms myself even after all that I am doing already to improve my health. So if you are lacking in Iodine, Bromide or both you could experience these symptoms? Just trying to get clarification because I wasn't sure if that's what you were referring to or detox from taking too much. I would appreciate it if you could clarify. Thanks.

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Hi Wormwood, fair enough. I am off flaxseed oil but so far I have not noticed any improvements/changes. I "thought" I did, but no.

So, for me so far doesn't seem to be any real difference. I think it softened my skin more though when taking it. Moreso than fish oil, probably because I could consume more of it and not harm my wallet as such.

As long as you're taking organic and keeping it stored in the fridge. It's probably ok. I think the article is speaking primarily of refined/rancid flaxseed oil, though it seems any overload of polyunsaturated oils isn't a wise idea, as the article states that even an overdose of omega 3 isn't good either.

I'd just make sure that is the only other polyunsaturated oil you're taking if you can. You can tell flaxeed oil is rancid easily, just smell the stuff! Plus the taste may give it away, but then I used it in yoghurt and i always found it nice (buttery) almost.

Andrew Cutler recommends this oil for mercury toxic people, because he says you can take much more of it and it's far cheaper than fish oil for loadng doses and loading doses he says is what is needed because mercury depletes essential fatty acids pretty dramatically....so there are two sides to the coin here it seems.

Do you have butter? Animal fats like this, are very good. You don't have to kill an animal to get fats like this. Butter and cream are prime examples. And eggs are excellent too for protein (free range).


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Yes, I love butter. I can't afford to get organic butter as well as veges a flours unfortunately.
I bought my flax oil from a health food shop that has a high turnover so it never tasted rancid. I didn't buy the organic stuff on most occasions though due to budget and sometimes they would sell out and I would have to change brands.

I will experiment with the seeds for a while. My seeds are organic. They smell so nice when they are freshly ground. I made a loaf of bread with them and the bread has the nice smell now. Actually, it's the nicest bread I have made in a while. It also has spelt and potato flour in it to reduce the wheat content.

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Any butter is better than no butter. If you can't afford organic, that's ok. Unorganic butter is still beneficial.

I am lucky with flaxseed oil here, as they have organic brands available competing with eachother. There is always some available. Believe it or not, the cheapest brand is one for animals, it's organic and that's the one I would get lol. Nothing wrong with it, it was just less toyed with, hence had higher lignan contained, which is beneficial but apparently tastes a bit more bitter.

The seeds are a good idea, at least you're getting everything there without anything being extracted/refined etc. The bread sounds very nice. I coudl never have any wheat at all. I used to get symptoms of poisoning just from a bit of wheat flour I kid you not. My nails would even go bluish. Funnily enough it was the same symptoms as mercury poisoning.

So it made me think about what Hal Huggins said, that wheat is treated with mercury fungicide. I never knew if that was the worst part, or the gluten with me. Both perhaps, since i had issues with other gluten grains too, but never as bad as I had with wheat.

Huge differencs when I gave up wheat, sugar/yeast at that stage. I used to respond very well because I was not afflicted by virus or other infection. Just mercury (and mercury is more than enough anyway).

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Hi Sean,

That is great to hear!!!! What were you doing before the extra iodine? Were you taking anything containing much iodine before? Or is this the first for you supplementing it?

Yes, it is possible to feel much better with replacing the things mercury depletes and displaces, but it can also cause a detox eruption. So it's possible you might be experiencing both? Which is a good sign! Hot and itchy can be a sign of healing. It has been mentioned a few times on another forum regarding healing crisis and itching is one of the signals. That's why some think they are allergically reacting and may not be. I also experienced this when I was eliminating metals/toxins through my skin. Heating up from exercise/bathing increases it even moreso. You can REALLY itch like mad when that happens.

Did you read the articles I put up on here about iodine and mercury? If not, take a look at this:
Iodine. Bring back the universal nutrient in medicine.

Iodine and chelation

And that might also explain why you have been gaining even more improvements, as well as benefits from goji juice, spirulina etc. Good going, I'd say you are gaining many benefits from the many trace elements/vitamins/minerals they contain. Something is happening anyway and it sounds good. The reason mercury causes so many symptoms is not just directly, but also from the deficiencies it causes.

Don't feel bad if you start feeling unwell again, as sometimes more mercury fills you up as it's coming to the surface and you feel like you're being dragged under again. That "can" happen, though not necessarily. Depends how well your body is catching up with what is coming out. But this is a good sign you're doing the right thing.

Yeah I feel worse again today, from the Chemtrails or just some things of detox? One day high and the next day low again and thats how it goes frown I mean I felt on top of the world the other night but felt down again soon after, hopeless as well. This stuff plays with you man, I swear it does, but you called it, you can feel up one day and down the next just as easily.


BTW Bex I took a little kelp for years, but did not eat it like this, and got little benefits before so I quit. I just started eating it again after almost a year lately, and took in alot more Kelp by eating it.

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Unfortunately with mercury, the it works as it's coming out is cruel. Just what you were experiencing, is exactly what I went through and you get on a high because you get a "clear patch" and then more fills up that clear patch because you still have storage to detox.

It's like you just come up to the surface to breathe and then you get pulled right back under. This can even happen over the same day, in a matter of hours you can go from high to feeling re-poisoned again. Just went you feel ill, go through some more detox, another clear patch, you think wooo hooooo!!! laugh and then wham frown

It's a roller coaster ride and many of us have gone through it. You feel a sense of doom and gloom, hopelessness and sometimes worse than that (suicidal). Just so you know, this is actually a normal process as you're detoxing this poison. Consider it like you have a layer of filth at the bottom of a tank of water. You decide to clean it, but in doing so you've just erupted it and the water is now clouded with it all. Then it resettles and looks cleaner again, until the next stirring up.

As the mercury keeps leaking out, coming to the surface, the same thing kind of happens. You get symptoms of feeling like garbage as it's surfacing and moving around, then you get that window of improvement where you just get a free clear moment and you feel brilliant, then it's clouded over again. This will continue until enough mercury has been cleared out of you that the clear patches will become more lengthy and eventually permanent.

You must hang in there Sean. I was often despaired about this process, nobody told me what it was, I never understood it. It's called the second phase of suffering. It's very trying and sometimes can be a torment to endure.


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Hi Sean,

Unfortunately with mercury, the it works as it's coming out is cruel. Just what you were experiencing, is exactly what I went through and you get on a high because you get a "clear patch" and then more fills up that clear patch because you still have storage to detox.

It's like you just come up to the surface to breathe and then you get pulled right back under. This can even happen over the same day, in a matter of hours you can go from high to feeling re-poisoned again. Just went you feel ill, go through some more detox, another clear patch, you think wooo hooooo!!! laugh and then wham frown

It's a roller coaster ride and many of us have gone through it. You feel a sense of doom and gloom, hopelessness and sometimes worse than that (suicidal). Just so you know, this is actually a normal process as you're detoxing this poison. Consider it like you have a layer of filth at the bottom of a tank of water. You decide to clean it, but in doing so you've just erupted it and the water is now clouded with it all. Then it resettles and looks cleaner again, until the next stirring up.

As the mercury keeps leaking out, coming to the surface, the same thing kind of happens. You get symptoms of feeling like garbage as it's surfacing and moving around, then you get that window of improvement where you just get a free clear moment and you feel brilliant, then it's clouded over again. This will continue until enough mercury has been cleared out of you that the clear patches will become more lengthy and eventually permanent.

You must hang in there Sean. I was often despaired about this process, nobody told me what it was, I never understood it. It's called the second phase of suffering. It's very trying and sometimes can be a torment to endure.

Yeah it sucks! I felt so good and then boom yesterday and today, I feel hopeless like you said and depressed (I hang in there though through that). So the Iodine can really detox huh? Kelp seems to be a good detoxer and very overlooked IMO, most do not know about the benefits you can get from eating some good Kelp. I will hang in there like you said, but this rollercoaster ride sucks and is pure hell at times. Atleast I am not going crazy on the detox and feeling like I am going to die or bug out, thats a plus! That is always a plus. I feel I can actually handle this and it's not like a trip or too scary, so I will stay with this.


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I used to feel it literally descending on me like a dark cloud. I would actually feel it coming (like a slow wave of increasing toxicity). And my entire face would alter. I'd go paler and my cheeks would be drawn inwards. My eyes would dull up. I almost prematurely aged on teh spot and then would come the depression, hopelessness and eventually the crying spells would begin and salivating (uncontrollable). It would intensify to the extreme with explosive symptoms and then it would feel like the cloud had lifted again for a patch, and though I was puffy from crying, I would feel like something had been removed and I'd even my appearance would alter again - but then the process would start over and this is how it was pretty much for a long time.

Chelation helped me a lot (Cutler's). It go the poison out of me faster and better. Natural products are good, but they may not directly chelate the mercury and it's a slow process. It just depends on how well your body eliminates toxins. Mine didn't do it well at all.

Though I did pretty well on vitamin C (powder form with bioflavanoids), vitamin E and selenium. Believe it or not, they were at that time my main supplement intake, alongside the candida diet. That plus hot baths and treadmill walking and some rebounding, for sweating/circulation. I was coming right (with some rounds of chelation inbetween).

I guess you have to do whatever works for you and some experimentation might be necessary, though hopefully nothing that will cause anything risky to occur, because it's easy to make it worse.

It's good you're hanging in there, and hopefully you'll get another patch of feeling good again. You feel almost euphoric eh? Because you're not used to feeling that way, so it's like being on a high. The contrast is unreal when you get a clear patch. But yes the ride can be pure hell on earth. I've heard many people describe that they feel like they're in hell. That's a typical term that's used, because sometimes there is no other words to describe the sufferings mercury can cause. Torment! Even cutler described it as "tremendous suffering". he is right, but that also depends on how poisoned a person is and what else they may have wrong with them too.

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Hi Sean,

I used to feel it literally descending on me like a dark cloud. I would actually feel it coming (like a slow wave of increasing toxicity). And my entire face would alter. I'd go paler and my cheeks would be drawn inwards. My eyes would dull up. I almost prematurely aged on teh spot and then would come the depression, hopelessness and eventually the crying spells would begin and salivating (uncontrollable). It would intensify to the extreme with explosive symptoms and then it would feel like the cloud had lifted again for a patch, and though I was puffy from crying, I would feel like something had been removed and I'd even my appearance would alter again - but then the process would start over and this is how it was pretty much for a long time.

Chelation helped me a lot (Cutler's). It go the poison out of me faster and better. Natural products are good, but they may not directly chelate the mercury and it's a slow process. It just depends on how well your body eliminates toxins. Mine didn't do it well at all.

Though I did pretty well on vitamin C (powder form with bioflavanoids), vitamin E and selenium. Believe it or not, they were at that time my main supplement intake, alongside the candida diet. That plus hot baths and treadmill walking and some rebounding, for sweating/circulation. I was coming right (with some rounds of chelation inbetween).

I guess you have to do whatever works for you and some experimentation might be necessary, though hopefully nothing that will cause anything risky to occur, because it's easy to make it worse.

It's good you're hanging in there, and hopefully you'll get another patch of feeling good again. You feel almost euphoric eh? Because you're not used to feeling that way, so it's like being on a high. The contrast is unreal when you get a clear patch. But yes the ride can be pure hell on earth. I've heard many people describe that they feel like they're in hell. That's a typical term that's used, because sometimes there is no other words to describe the sufferings mercury can cause. Torment! Even cutler described it as "tremendous suffering". he is right, but that also depends on how poisoned a person is and what else they may have wrong with them too.

Take care!
I had it out 4 years ago as far as the tooth goes, guess I might still have some in me from that? Thats a long time frown I think it might be other metals as well from maybe Chemtrails or another source? They spray Barium and Aluminum right? Those can really mess you up as well, so maybe they can be the cause? Copper is also another possiblity, as Zinc deficient I was for so long it would accumulate to a toxic level I believe. It could be a number of things from those to Parasites or Yeast, maybe it is more of one or the other, who knows. There can be so much wrong with you in this day and age it is hard to tell, so if you get rid of one you still have the other and you can still feel very sick. I know mineral deficiencies can lead to this too, but when I used Zeolite, Cilantro (For a week or two) I could just FEEL It was that metal, when I use higher Kelp I feel that same way! That pulling type feeling from your brain and the quenching teeth if you can relate there, it feels like your head is magnetic pulling your teeth together! The drueling or saliva I had ALOT of before my tooth was out, literally drove me crazy some nights, I can relate there. I guess it is key for me now to stay on the Vitamin E, Kelp, Goji and Spirulina etc., it appears to do no damage to me and I tolerate it, nothing scary at all from any of these by any means, just that stupid depression and hopefless feeling, that dark gray cloud as you would say. I bet some would committ suicide feeling as we have and have gone through (I am too strong and know there is better ahead though), I can easily see if they did not know what was wrong and didn't know how to get better that they would just feel life is hopeless and quit! I thank GOD I studied alot on this stuff to know what it was and understand and know moreso what to do, others not as fortunate as me and you. I will deal with this VERY LOW feeling like you said and get out of it, time will tell, time alone. Back to what you said though, when you get that clear it's like a heavenly blyss for that night or even a day, you feel you are normal and on top of the world! Nothing can match it. I can't imagine feeling like that all the time, how life would be then! Heaven on Earth for us who have been sick! Maybe thats why I drink a few beers at night to cheer me up some (I Know I should not) and relax after work, thats the only high I get as it seems until I get this down lower in my body, you know how that feels.



Thank GOD I am not an alcholic because of this or a druggie though, I can control myself.


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Originally Posted by Birdlady

Iodine-related bromide symptoms may include but are not be limited to:
eye lid twitching
foot twitching
tingling in hands or feet
dark thoughts (e.g., there is no reason to live)
depression (e.g., there is no reason to get out of bed)
anxiety
emotionality
mouth and tongue sores and cuts or "sore mouth"
"different" acne,"bromide acne," "acne-like eruptions" without "coniform." (Some iodine
users found zinc helps bromide acne.)
skin "cuts"
hair loss
brain fog
leg and hip ache (feels like arthritis)
rash (bromaderma)
metallic taste
sinus ache
runny nose
headache
sedation
lethargy
odd swallowing sensation (reported in old medical literature as "swollen glottis")
body odor (bromos is Greek for stench)
unusual urine odor
dry mouth
ureteral spasm, frequent urination (mistaken for urinary infection)
diarrhea
constipation
vision changes
irritability
increased salivation
dream changes
hormone changes
kidney pain
Hi Birdlady, this list caught my eye. I have many of these symptoms myself even after all that I am doing already to improve my health. So if you are lacking in Iodine, Bromide or both you could experience these symptoms? Just trying to get clarification because I wasn't sure if that's what you were referring to or detox from taking too much. I would appreciate it if you could clarify. Thanks.

Angelbaby26


Hey sorry I haven't been checking the forum everyday. Bromide is toxic and mostly comes from eating flour that have been treated with it. The Iodine takes the place of the bromide and starts to flush it out of the system. This is when you'll get the bromism detox symptoms I listed above. Hopefully that helped. My brain is a little slow since I started on my next round of DMSA. haha


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There are many other sources of bromide compounds...one of the most significant is fire retardants which are very very bad, and can be found in furniture, mattresses, carpet, and other places.

Personally I think many of the symptoms from iodine come from mercury and fluoride, as we are exposed fluoride by bathing, drinking water, toothpaste, and many other sources. There is not much research on absorption of fluoride through the skin but from the studies that were done hot showers and baths in fluoridated water could add a significant fluoride burden to your body...and as we know fluoride is even more toxic if you are low on iodine.

In any case...taking iodine releases bromine, fluoride, mercury, and probably other toxins which can explain why it can make you feel so terrible. Take it slow and slowly build up the doses...I think taking it in high doses the way Birdlady did it can cause too much stress on the body by releasing too many toxins at once.

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Wow this is an eye opener for me. We have a hot tub that we keep clean with bromine tablets instead of chlorine. I just read that bromine becomes bromide at some point and i soak in it that water frequently while in the hot tub. I have a lot of the symptoms above so that is why I was asking...thanks for the clarification.
AT least you are brave enough to try the DMSA. I have tried everything else but that because I am so sensitive to things I still don't feel I am quite ready yet. Good luck to you with it. Please keep us posted.

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There are many other sources of bromide compounds...one of the most significant is fire retardants which are very very bad, and can be found in furniture, mattresses, carpet, and other places.

Personally I think many of the symptoms from iodine come from mercury and fluoride, as we are exposed fluoride by bathing, drinking water, toothpaste, and many other sources. There is not much research on absorption of fluoride through the skin but from the studies that were done hot showers and baths in fluoridated water could add a significant fluoride burden to your body...and as we know fluoride is even more toxic if you are low on iodine.

In any case...taking iodine releases bromine, fluoride, mercury, and probably other toxins which can explain why it can make you feel so terrible. Take it slow and slowly build up the doses...I think taking it in high doses the way Birdlady did it can cause too much stress on the body by releasing too many toxins at once.
Yes I am taking it slow, even slowly I get the effects sometimes, last night I had a HORRIBLE crushing headache until I salt loaded, then boom the symptoms gone in about 10 minutes. It seems that if you take a half a teaspoon of some good mineral salt you can get rid of those detox symptoms from the Bromide and possibly others as well? I felt alot better after taking the salt, and thats an understatement. I don't eat too much Kelp yet though, if I do I will feel like crap and work is ALOT harder after that to say the least. I heard about the Fluoride and low iodine as well, good stuff there. The Mercury detox though I have no clue on as far as this? Maybe I have more fluoride and Bromide than Mercury because it is not really effecting me that bad after salt loading which allows me to detox more (Magnesium as well).


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When I was sick the other day I had a lemon which I kept shaking RealSalt (mineral salt) on to. I seemed to need it. When I crave salt, i usually give into it as long as its good salt.

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When I was sick the other day I had a lemon which I kept shaking RealSalt (mineral salt) on to. I seemed to need it. When I crave salt, i usually give into it as long as its good salt.
Well that salt is very good for you Jeanie! I would not feel bad at all taking it.


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Salt should actually be part of the daily diet. It is necessary for many functions - adrenals included. I would never go salt-free. The body requires it. Of course natural is the way to go, but if there is a lack of iodine? due to natural salt not containing enough (and truly they don't, I've been there), then one would be wise to supplement extra iodine via kelp or other means.

I gave up iodised salt for natural salt (real salt, just like the one you use Jeanie) and wound up EXTREMELY ill with the loss of iodine in my system. Not ill because of anything wrong with the salt, but the iodine it lacked nearly did me in. I was barely functioning daily, which is saying something considering my natural state the rest of the time. Particularly when a person is exposed to toxins, loss of iodine is devastating.

Some areas maybe have more natural iodine in their soils etc, which is why their foods maybe more high in iodine (like butter also). Whereas my country is VERY low in iodine and other elements like selenium, which may account for us having one of the highest cancer rates, suicidal/depression rates etc. Due to essential elements totally lacking in our soils. Replacing such elements can make a dramatic difference. Though we have the "clean and green" image, which I guess we do in many respects and we are very lucky in that respect, sadly the lack of essential element content in our soils can be a problem.

I thought I was doing good giving up iodised salt, but I had no idea how much my body required that iodine.

I am also finding how necessary exercise is. Moreso than ever. I'm now finding that stored toxins can stay almost stagnent and won't move, unless there is some forced activity and enough to where it forces the body to start shunting out some of the deeply stored toxins. Unfortunately my viral symptoms play up and make me very ill after it, but later on I sense metal/toxins starting to erupt to the surface also. It's trying to balance things to where I don't make myself too ill, but I start pushing some toxins forth. I sense them now daily since I've had forced activity (from doing some work experience), which initially made me so ill I could barely move. Yet now I seem to be experiencing some kind of ongoing detox....not sure what to think, but I attribute it to that.

I use a treadmill now more on an incline (small as it is) and it seems to increase activity more and again get the toxins on the move. I realise much may circulate, but I'm sure some are coming out.

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I'm not recommending this to anyone, but I just want to tell my story while on a salt-free diet.

I went on a completely salt free diet about 2 years ago.(I'm no longer on this diet). This was before I knew about mercury toxicity, adrenal fatigue or diabetes insipidus. I hate to say this, but I felt absolutely wonderful. This was the best I had felt in 5 years. The first few things I noticed right away was that the puffiness in my face, arms and legs vanished. I lost about 10 lbs worth of water weight that was stuck on my body. To this day I'm not sure why I was soooo puffy. My body still has the tendency to hold onto unnecessary water in weird places (baggy eyes), but all the while still being in a dehydrated state.

I also saw the chronic UTI's go away. Salt irritated my bladder REALLY bad. If I ate salt, I'd pay for it later that night. Now I'm definitely doing better and salt doesn't have such a negative effect on me like it used to. I'm not sure what has changed!

Like I said though. I don't really recommend going salt-free.


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Hi birdlady, it's not the first time I've heard similar to this. I did it once and felt good too, but it didn't seem to last. After time, things started to decline. Now whether that was because mercury started dumping later on, or what I'm unsure. But I found I needed salt again. and later just substituted natural salt/seasoning and did really well. But then I was also coincidentally taking kelp and didn't realise the significance. I was getting my iodine and didn't know it.

So the improvement from ditching salt, maybe from a combination of the wrong kind of salt and too much perhaps overall.. So maybe the initial improvement is due to that.

I find I need it. But if you feel so good without it, you maybe getting enough salt in your other foods. Remember if you were having not such a natural diet, then it's highly possible that your body thanked you for eliminating extra salt from your shakers, since it was already getting more than enough from the foods. Many foods are pre-salted and sometimes ALOT.

There maybe various reasons for the wonderful feelings from eliminating extra salt from your intake. However, if you're like me and are on natural unsalted foods? Then the extra salt maybe what your body requires. I think it's about balance and that's not always easy to achieve, since our diets and needs continue to change depending on our current condition/toxicity etc. less or more? Hard to say.

I think if you use salt, make sure you are not overdosing with pre-salted foods from supermarkets at the sametime. That's when ditching the extra salt maybe beneficial. BUT, if you're on natural foods - unsalted, then you may require the addition of natural salt. Depends. However, the needed iodine is essential and if we dont get it from salt, we need to find some way to get it.

I think going completely salt free might be detrimental, again depending on overall intake and type of salt and the needs of the person at the time. Just my opinion.


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