Hi - I found Andy's forum about 8(??) years ago when I figured out I had fibromyalgia which led me to mercury which led me to an alternative MD who did a dangerous DMPS challenge test on me (off the charts mercury and other metals) which led me to a search where I found Andy who led me to his book.... I have tried chelating....have a super seaweed I haven't taken in some time which I need to get back on. I got away from even thinking about mercury. Have all my amalgam out now - first thing I did. But haven't gotten all the mercury out and am off for the summer (substitute teacher going to school, soon, to finish degree in Special Ed....great need for that.....wonder why????????????????? Autism....etc., etc. etc. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Hi Jeanie, welcome to the forum <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Very similar to yourself, I too discovered Cutler's protocol about 8 years ago! An interestingly enough, I also had the DMPS IV challenge test beforehand when I was not fully aware of the dangers. So I can totally relate! I had amalgams out by 1997. My challenge test I think was in 1999 and I'm pretty sure I found Cutler's protocol not too long after that.

The DMPS IV flooded my entire system with mercury from literally erupting the storage of it. It did not unfortunately pull enough of it at that point into my urine, so my test didn't show much at all. instead, I suffered massively from acute mercury symptoms after that and came up in hot, red, itching rashes everytime my body heated up (mercury rising?). I was like a thermometer you could say. Bathing, exercise etc would bring it up to the surface of the skin and it was absolutely incredible. It covered me literally from head to toe, and even the palms of my hands were itchy, my ears were also covered. Though it did force the mercury to come out via the pores of my skin, the experience went on for years, until gradually my mercury levels dropped further and further till proper improvements were finally experienced.

Seaweed is good because mercury blocks the action of iodine and displaces it. Iodine is a biggy that mercury inteferes with and iodine is contained in seaweed, so it's a good supplement to use regardless. I am unsure if it's a "chelating agent" as I don't know of anything that says it directly attaches onto the mercury, BUT indirectly, as it's replacing what mercury is displacing, then they compete with eachother and often that's enough to cause "some" displacement/detox of mercury (to a point I believe). In all honesty, I don't know exactly what happens, but that's the impression I get from what I've read. Similar to selenium. Replacing these elements can be vital, because that is what mercury intefers with and depletes. Zinc can be another one. I found personally that the most important nutrients for me, were vitamin C, vitamin E, selenium, zinc etc and have just discovered my desperate need for more iodine. I had cut out iodised table salt, which is good in respect of eliminating a bleached mineral robbed salt, but I did not consider the loss of much needed iodine and unfortunately in my country, we are already low in iodine and it's becoming an epidemic, so they are trying now to add iodine back into bread. I suffered over time from giving up iodised salt and using a healthy alternative rock/sea salt. Which was great, except for the loss of iodine. So I'm now using rocksalt and taking iodine supplementation.

I admire you for the special Ed training! Who knows how many mercury toxic inviduals are suffering from such learning difficulties? I hate to imagine. Autism? Hmmmm, interesting how so many kids have developed it following vaccines eh? Makes me sick thinking about it.

anyway, I'm glad you have gotten your toxic taps removed (amalgams). And hopefully you will benefit from removing the storage of mercury still in you. Many many methods for doing that and sometimes one may not suit another. I used many ways to try and erupt it out of my tissues, e.g. chlorella, garlic, homoepathic detox kit by "heels" (which was excellent, but potent). Many I found caused too many intolerable symptoms by mobilising mercury too much. I finally found Cutler's protocol and that appeared to be the ticket for me in the end, along with my good diet, hot baths, exercise (walking/rebounding) and quality antioxidants which were highly necessary. I found ways of getting the metals out of me, but not all of them were pleasant, but I believe over time, all of them did get the muck out. Cutler's sped it up, made it more tolerable and more effective though.

Anyway, sorry for going on. Long story!
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Hey Bex,

Thank you for the welcome! Your story inspires me to get back to chelating and working on this. I tend to like to forget about things and not label myself or think of myself as sick, but the mercury isn't letting me. I live in Atlanta, GA now where it is HOT (came from Alaska) and wonder, too, if the heat brings out symptoms cause I feel useless. I'm having peri-menopausal hot flashes, too. Hadn't heard of mercury rising literally till this forum. I know some folks have used saunas but had trouble sweating. Not a problem with me. Maybe that is good. I feel good getting out working in the yard sometimes, but then wiped out. I use "Real Salt" myself - not sure about the idodine thing but figure I do eat some things already salted. Are you not from America? I haven't been supplementing as religiously as I always did before. I was a health nut for years before I found out about mercury. I need to get back to minerals, etc. and started taking the Modifilan yesterday. Think I'll do that now before I eat. My thyroid is off....controlled with Armour, but that can't hurt that either.

I don't honestly know if the DMPS challenge test hurt me, but I know once I got all the amalgam out which I had done with a guy who knew about it but not how to get it out safely I "hit the wall." My thyroid crashed, etc. etc. I'm on a lot more medication than I want to be. I need to get some good amino acid supplementation going, too. I take (usually) astragalus for my immune system, dandelion for my liver, C, mag., garlic, melatonin, 5-HTP, etc.

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Hi Jeanie,

You're welcome. Glad you found us here! The best forum I have honestly been on and that's the truth (and I've been on a few over the years).

Mercury is horrific in what it can do, but you can definitely get it out of you! I had the problem of retention toxicity. I basically retained it, held onto it and could not excrete it properly which is probably why it was able to do as much damage as it did by building up in my tissues/organs for years. That's why, when I started detoxing from it, I really went through alot. It was painful for my body to eliminate it and rather slow.

If you can sweat? Then that is an excellent way to try and get some of it out via the pores. Depends where the mercury is perhaps too. I used to have hot baths and add a cup or so of epsom salts to it (which encourages sweating even more, and tends to help pull toxins out, plus provides magnesium). The other one I did was sea salt and baking soda (just supermarket sea salt, not the expensive stuff). about a cup or more of each and that worked excellently too.

I am also having Real Salt (Redmonds). But the problem is, it does not contain enough iodine. Iodine is ESSENTIAL. your blood passes through your thyroid all the time, if there is not enough iodine there, you will have problems. And mercury is a big one for depleting iodine. You can start having thyroid problems as I did through lack of it. Highly important for many functions inside your body. It doesn't mean you have to go overboard with it, but I would advise supplementing it (kelp is a natural form of iodine, so if you take seaweed, you'll be getting some iodine). Lugol's iodine is another good one.

The thyroid unfortunately is a big one for mercury causing problems with. It blocks the action of iodine in the thyroid, so even if you are getting iodine, mercury can block its action. Which is rather sad. That's why blood tests may not show what's going on!

Take whatever helps you cope from day to day. mercury mucks up so many things, that many people find they have to take a lot of supplements just to feel remotely "ok". Some react badly to many supplements, so it can be very difficult to find ones you respond to. mercury can cause chemical sensitivity too and allergies, so it's a two edged sword.

Mercury removal can for many, cause a worsening of their condition and sometimes dramatically. Because of this volatile neurotoxin, drilling it back out can do more damage due to the acute exposure of it in one session. Full protection is essential and even then it's no guarantee that one will not be further exposed. Jinx on here got MUCH MUCH worse after having his amalgam removal done because he did not have any protection. It depends too how strong a person is at the time as well. And then, once that's done, you have to deal with the aftermarth and often the years worth of build up and poisoning can really show its face because there is no more amalgam there anymore and the body seems strangely to go from storage mode into detox mode. Which for me made symptoms far worse.

You may find amino acids make your symptoms worse. Be careful with them. I could not tolerate them. Then again, you may find they help. Andy doesn't seem to recommend them for the most part, as they can mobilise mercury too much. E.g. cysteine, methionine, glutathione etc, supplemented as they are can bounce mercury around. You can naturally raise gluathione levels by using vitamin C, selenium, milk thistle, (and other antioxidants) etc etc. which is more effective and safe, than taking gluathione directly.

The supplements Andy Cutler recommends at the minimum are - Vitamin C, Vitamin B complex, milk thistle, magnesium (all those you must take 3-4 times day for effectiveness). Vitamin E, zinc etc can be taken once/twice a day. And enough flaxseed oil for helping to repair nerve/membranes/brain. Up to 1-2 tablespoons or more a day. He believes that one should also mix another oil in there that has omega 6 (borage oil is one he recommends, as it's cheap). Though flaxseed has omega 6, it has far more omega 3 and I guess he feels it needs a bit more balance.

If you can do his protocol, I'd advise it. You can start on very small doses and stay there until you feel comfortable enough to increase the dose. I started with DMSA and in fact, that's the only one I really wound up using. I hated waking up to take a dose, due to the need to take a pill every 4 hours, but it's the only way to keep it safe and tolerable.

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hi my names dudley, and i am also new to list and also to forums.
i am also new to pc's and am struggling at the moment to find my way round how the forum works.
1 1/2 years ago my dentist removed a load of amalgams in order to fit some bridgework, this went on for four mnths and the last time, i swallowed a load of amalgam before i had chance to spit, when i did spit i saw it was amalgam.

seeing this made me realize that he had been drilling out mercury all the time,without any precautions.I had heard that fillings could be dangerous but didn't know how bad.
six weeks later i got sick with some horrible symptons,
i have a continual feeling of unreality,weakness in limbs,lump in throat,and whenever i move any muscle group they tremble.

I have tried chelating with a product called humet r for three months,but no improvement.I have now decided to go on the cutler protocol but am finding it hard getting my head around all the info, there is so much and in my present state i struggle to take it all in.
so any help would be most appreciated.My life at the moment has been completely ruined by this dentist,and there's nothing i can do about it.I hope i have put this message in the right place as its my first. dudley.

Thank you so much for all the great advice Bex. I haven't been on for a while. Got kind of caught up in the "other" forum... Needed to distance myself. I appreciate your support. I'm not having a good day....

Hey Dudley,

I'm so sorry this has happened to you. I can relate - it and wouldn't wish it on anyone. I'm not a good enough example of how to do this cause I haven't been consistent, but use to be on a website off of yahoo for adult-metal-chelation if you can't find help on here. I haven't perused this website enough to get into the detox issues yet - got side tracked on some of the many other issues : ) That adult-metal-chelation was (still is??) based off Cutler's protocol, though, along with other seasoned folks input. Basically if you know how to do the chelating correctly you need to support your eliminative channels and sometimes its best to work on those first. Has your thyroid crashed? I'm not having a good day today myself - foggy headed - but I'm having hot flashes so perhaps mercury is coming out. Hot here, too. Anyway - hang in there welcome. I'm so sorry... The dentist that did it was ignorant and, I'm convinced, was poisoned himself. He had mad hatter's if anyone... He skipped town, actually. Didn't try to pursue unpaid bills or anything. Not sure what happened - but they're the victims as much as anyone. I asked a dentist about 30 years ago if it was anything to worry about cause I've always been health conscious and he assured me it wasn't - which he believed himself!!! On the other hand, though, they don't volunteer info about safe amounts of fillings (how many is considered "safe" even by the ADA). I had a LOT of fillings - have weak teeth. My husband swears its from lack of flouride which I don't believe in either. I've almost gotten into arguments with folks at dentist offices. They don't generally like me - but are becoming more aware and, if nothing else, the resin fillings are prettier so they sell the cosmetics of non-mercury now. I use to be told, also, that there was nothing strong enough out there which isn't the case, either. All that really has nothing to do with what you need to hear, though.... Just feel bad for you. Take care.

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Hi Jeanie, you're very welcome. I just hope some of it was helpful.

I can WELL understand you needing to take a break and distance yourself from a particular forum. Wise move. Who needs that garbage when you're struggling with sickness? I appreciated your posts though

Very sorry to hear you're having a bad day! Let us hope that at some point more good days will begin to surface and take over. We all want that!


take care

hi jeanie, thanks for your reply i am still trying to workout how these forums work,as i am not used to pc's and when i put a message on am not sure how to find it or how to find the latest messages.Any help would really be appreciated
thanks dudley

Hi Dud, welcome aboard.

Hi, sunshine, good to be here.
suprise am still trying to suss it out re finding posts etc.i am trying to learn so much thanks for your help

Dud

Hi Jeanie,
I live in Georgia too... I am pretty new here too, Welcome.