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So I finally found a good holistic dentist and went in today. They recommended I get a blood test but a lot of you guys on this forum say it's kind of hard to catch mercury and mercury is obviously the problem anyways. And it costs $250 which I don't have. So I'm probably going to go ahead and choose an amalgam beforehand. I'm gonna list off the choices here. I heard diamondlite is the safest one but I don't see it on the list but it's probably listed under a different name. Alright:
-Composite resin fillings
-Glass ionomer cement
-resin-ionomer cement
-Porcelain(ceramic)
-Nickel or cobalt-chrome alloys
-Porcelain fused to metal
-gold alloy
So is diamondlite one of those? and which one is the safest to go with? peace
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-Composite resin fillings
-Glass ionomer cement
-resin-ionomer cement
-Porcelain(ceramic)
-Nickel or cobalt-chrome alloys
-Porcelain fused to metal
-gold alloy
Steer clear of the metals like Nickel etc. The gold....depends how pure it is. It is also very expensive. Do not get a porcelain fused to metal, you may react with the metal. People often blame the porcelain, when often it's the metal base attached. I'd be more inclined to go for the either composites, glass ionomers or ceramics/porcelains. If you are not allergic to plastic, I'd go for either composites or ceramic/porcelain. Glass ionomers can sometimes contain more metals that maybe more leachable than ceramic, but those who have plastic allergies, may have to opt for them or porcelain. Though there is no such thing as a metal free dental material anyway, but one does not really want more than necessary if you can avoid it. Though porcelain is alot harder and doesn't tend to leach as much as the other dental materials like amalgams, composites, glass ionomers etc. These are just the types of dental materials, but the brands and names of them are not given here. There are vast variables of each of these dental materials. And all in a way do differ to a point from eachother. You may tolerate some and not others. Depends on how sensitive you are too and how compromised your immunity is etc. Mercury poisoning also tends to make people more reactive to other things, and that doesn't help. The diamond range of dental materials are composites (or resins). They also have bonds (cement), lining etc). There is the Diamond Crown or Diamond Lite (they are composites and I think diamond crown is also classed as ceramic as well as composite. It's tougher than the diamond link I think), Diamond bond (bonding material to bond it into the tooth) and Diamond Link (for the lining). But Diamond is only one of many different composites available. The dentist should be able to tell you whether he has diamond lite or not, or which other types of composites he has. He should be able to give you the names. There are vast names for other composites as well made by different companies. E.g. Heliomolar HB, Conquest, Tetric ceram (which is a mix of ceramic too), Admira, Bisfil 2B, Grandio, etc etc. Many more. Glass ionomers e.g. Fuji, Admira bond, Admira Cap, Admira protect, Cerafil, Dyract, etc etc. Many ceramic porcelains are available and generally well tolerated, but make sure you do NOT get the ones with the metal bases. Cerec porcelain is a good one. IPS empress is another one, Degussa etc etc. Many others. What blood test did your holistic dentist mention? Are they talking about blood test to test for mercury in your system? Or are they talking about the serum test to check for your reactions with many different dental materials to check which ones are most biocompatible for you? Because I would recommend getting a serum test if you want to be more sure about which materials you are most compatible with. You can also be tested on EAV (voll testing) machines. Some alternative health therapists use these. You may not opt to have testing done and simply trust your luck, but it is advisable to get it done regardless. The dentist should be able to let you know what the names are of each type of dental material, not just tell you the dental materials he has, but what their names are! One dentist told me he uses heliomolar for the composite and optibond for the bond etc. And uses cerec porcelain if someone wants the porcelain instead of composites. They should be able to give you the names of the dental materials, not just the fact he uses composites, glass ionomers, porcelain etc, but the names of each. Because they all do differ to some extent, depending on what's in them. Some maybe more biocompatible for you than others. They can even give you samples too if you want to take them somewhere and get tested. Or you can order a serum test and when you get the results from the test, you can check the names on the form (seeing which ones came up suitable or unsuitable).
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-Composite resin fillings
-Glass ionomer cement
-resin-ionomer cement
-Porcelain(ceramic)
-Nickel or cobalt-chrome alloys
-Porcelain fused to metal
-gold alloy
Steer clear of the metals like Nickel etc. The gold....depends how pure it is. It is also very expensive. Do not get a porcelain fused to metal, you may react with the metal. People often blame the porcelain, when often it's the metal base attached. I'd be more inclined to go for the either composites, glass ionomers or ceramics/porcelains. If you are not allergic to plastic, I'd go for either composites or ceramic/porcelain. Glass ionomers can sometimes contain more metals that maybe more leachable than ceramic, but those who have plastic allergies, may have to opt for them or porcelain. Though there is no such thing as a metal free dental material anyway, but one does not really want more than necessary if you can avoid it. Though porcelain is alot harder and doesn't tend to leach as much as the other dental materials like amalgams, composites, glass ionomers etc. These are just the types of dental materials, but the brands and names of them are not given here. There are vast variables of each of these dental materials. And all in a way do differ to a point from eachother. You may tolerate some and not others. Depends on how sensitive you are too and how compromised your immunity is etc. Mercury poisoning also tends to make people more reactive to other things, and that doesn't help. The diamond range of dental materials are composites (or resins). They also have bonds (cement), lining etc). There is the Diamond Crown or Diamond Lite (they are composites and I think diamond crown is also classed as ceramic as well as composite. It's tougher than the diamond link I think), Diamond bond (bonding material to bond it into the tooth) and Diamond Link (for the lining). But Diamond is only one of many different composites available. The dentist should be able to tell you whether he has diamond lite or not, or which other types of composites he has. He should be able to give you the names. There are vast names for other composites as well made by different companies. E.g. Heliomolar HB, Conquest, Tetric ceram (which is a mix of ceramic too), Admira, Bisfil 2B, Grandio, etc etc. Many more. Glass ionomers e.g. Fuji, Admira bond, Admira Cap, Admira protect, Cerafil, Dyract, etc etc. Many ceramic porcelains are available and generally well tolerated, but make sure you do NOT get the ones with the metal bases. Cerec porcelain is a good one. IPS empress is another one, Degussa etc etc. Many others. What blood test did your holistic dentist mention? Are they talking about blood test to test for mercury in your system? Or are they talking about the serum test to check for your reactions with many different dental materials to check which ones are most biocompatible for you? Because I would recommend getting a serum test if you want to be more sure about which materials you are most compatible with. You can also be tested on EAV (voll testing) machines. Some alternative health therapists use these. You may not opt to have testing done and simply trust your luck, but it is advisable to get it done regardless. The dentist should be able to let you know what the names are of each type of dental material, not just tell you the dental materials he has, but what their names are! One dentist told me he uses heliomolar for the composite and optibond for the bond etc. And uses cerec porcelain if someone wants the porcelain instead of composites. They should be able to give you the names of the dental materials, not just the fact he uses composites, glass ionomers, porcelain etc, but the names of each. Because they all do differ to some extent, depending on what's in them. Some maybe more biocompatible for you than others. They can even give you samples too if you want to take them somewhere and get tested. Or you can order a serum test and when you get the results from the test, you can check the names on the form (seeing which ones came up suitable or unsuitable). How much is the gold amalgams for 2 small and one large sized amalgam? So you think I should pay the $200 and go with the blood serum test? It's the one where they send it to Colorado so how long will it take? I don't want to wait much longer I feel like $hit and want these things out. Thanks for responding. What would you suggest?
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Personally I would not go for "gold" because it's not known how pure it is. I don't know how much it is, so you would need to check out costs with your dentist. You may react to it. Hard to say.
If you want something strong, long lasting and possibly low allergy, you might opt for ceramic porcelain like I did - e.g. cerec, which has a very good reputation. Just make sure if you do get porcelain, that it's not one with a metal base.
But really it is up to you. You may opt for the simple composites instead.
The test you send away for won't take too long. I got in touch with a testing place in the US (clifford reactivity testing lab) and I live in New Zealand. They sent me out the stuff I needed with the instructions (which didn't take long) and then I got the serum samples, sent them with ice packs to keep them fresh and they got them pretty quick and then sent back the results. It may well be worth it in the long run to give you that extra bit of assurance. It is really tempting to rush and get them out becuase of how bad you feel, but if you can do as much preliminary work to make the whole process as safe as you can, you will likely be better off in the long run (which is what you want).
You really want to give your immune system every chance to recover from this mercury assault and the replacement materials to be the least offensive to it, as you detox your stored mercury with the help of chelating agents.
I do not know how long it will take for this testing, but I recall it wasn't that long! Sorry I cannot be more specific. Depending on where you live, will depend on how long it takes for the stuff to get to you and how long it takes for it to arrive back to them once you've sent your serum.
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Thanks for all the help Bex. You're awesome! I'm probably just gonna sleep on it and decide in the morning. I'll probably stick it out and do a blood test as it will probably be better in the long run. I'm tempted just to go out and get my mercury amalgams replaced but there is a possibility of making things even worse. A chance I'm not willing to take. I've waited for this long already and I'll stick to my guns and hope for the best. Things always seem to work out when you have good intentions it seems.
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No problem! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Glad to be of any help. Definitely, it is wiser to take a bit more time, rather than rush in and then regret it and wind up taking even more time to try and fix what could or should have been avoided in the first place. But again, I can well understand you wanting to get on with it and get the stuff OUT. Sometimes you can talk to a biologic/holistic dentist and ask them what they have found to be an overall good trusted biocompatible material that seems to suit most patients, particularly the toxic/sensitive ones. One dentist I spoke to told me straight that he only uses heliomolar composites, or cerec porcelain, as in his experience they seem to be the most tolerated. He's studied in oral toxicology too. But each dentist seems to have their preferences. Bonding and lining agents are also important, because they're in the mouth 24/7 as well. All materials should ideally be tested if possible. I wouldn't use the word amalgams to describe any dental material. Amalgams are a filling combination of metals/mercury. Composites are the white plastics (resins) and are not amalgams. I used to call them all amalgams as well....but I soon stopped after realising exactly what they were... ---> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/skullandbones.gif" alt="" /> because really that's what they are, just a nice non offensive name to describe a nasty blend of junk metal and neurotoxic mercury, nicely amalgamated together and placed in our teeth to oh so nicely poison us. And poison us insidiously over long periods of time. I wish there was the ideal dental replacment material that was completely neutral and did not pose any challenge to the immune system, but at this time, there doesn't seem to be that option as yet, until they start growing enamel. So the best we can do is try to find the least offensive and to be honest, I do not even know how accurate these tests are either, but I would still do it. Some dentists actually tell their patients to get this serum test done because they will only choose dental materials that show up ok on this test for their patients. These are the true biologic dentists. I got my composites redone with cerec because I wanted a very biocompatible material, but also one that lasts and would not require me to have them redone in say 7 years or so (although many last longer than that and I guess they're improving too). More dentists are taking this material onboard (cerec), both mainstream and biologic dentists. I gather it's good both bicompatibility wise and mechanically too. But they'll be other materials that are excellent too and perhaps not so hard on the pocket. Whatever you do, best wishes! keep us posted as you feel like it.
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Diamondlite has long been thought to be the best, and I have several fillings, but from what I can gather, the manufacturer does not give a list of ingredients, which has made some dentists move away from it: i.e. how can diamondlite be the safest if we don't know exactly what's in it? My dentist used to use it, but now uses Glacier. I don't know anything about this filling material, but I had it at last removal because I trust his judgement that it's the best composite at the moment. Biocompatibility tests are a good idea. I didn't have one last time, but I did the time before.
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