Hi Everyone, Man I have to say I am so fed up with the medical profession. Im am so sure that I have a low thyroid problem. Comeon, my symptoms are no energy, poor concentration, cold intolerence, hair falling out, No Sex Drive (not diminished but Nada, Zilch, Zero), PMS , irritablity and my early morning temperatures under the armpit before I get outta bed are as follows: 97.3
97.0
96.4
96.6
96.3
These are this weeks numbers and they are worse (lower) than 2 weeks ago (all in the low 97s). OK Im sick and tired of being sick and tired. I called to get in to see a DR.(which I typically avoid like the plaque cause they just want to pump me with antidepressants). Couldn't get in so I went to urgent care hoping they'd refer me to an endocrinologist. NO, they took my blood, again (went through this 2 yrs ago and everyhting was "normal"). And again today my TSH came back "normal" and they say I don't have a goiter so Im probably not low thyroid and "blood tests are pretty accurate". Accurate my butt, everything I have read on this subject shows they are NOT accurate! I just want help! And I want to use my insurance so I can benefit so if I do need something it will cover it. They said the T3 and T4 results will be back in on tuesday (3 days). It is maddening when everyone thinks its "all in your head"! I know my adrenals are bad and have low blood sugar along with merc poisoning that Im healing from but what the heck to I do now? Should I go back to my primary care physician (another one) and insist I get a referal to the endocrinologist? I wouldn't be surprised if there was more hormonal issues going on too. Pray I don't shoot these conventional medicine Drs. Sorry if I seem whiney Ive about had it though. Id appreciate any in put. Im tempted to just buy my own Armour and try it out for a month. Thanks you guys for listening. Diane

PS. By the way, since when is hair falling out, being cold all the time, and low body temperatures a symptom or sign of depression?

HI Dianne, I think the testing they have to find out what is REALLY going on is insufficient. And mercury can bugger up the actions of these hormones, but still show there is "sufficient" available....this is why people like us can wind up miserable and without a proper diagnosis. I think you know yourself better than these limited tests and your temperatures are evident your thyroid is low functioning. That plus your symptoms as well, which is kind of classic.

Before you start on any replacement hormone, even if it's natural, you might want to read this article and see what you think of this first!
http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Liodine.htm

This maybe helpful to you.

Bex,
Thank you very much for the link here. I'm sharing it with my sisters, one of which has Graves Disease. She's at her wits end with it. This will help my entire family. Thank you!

Beth

Hi Beth, you're welcome. I'm sorry to hear about your sister that has graves disease and I hope that information will help her!

Hi Diane

You can ask questions specifically about thyroids on this forum

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/index.php?sid=9422a666428dbb3c5eac45db50ad88d8

and this one is closed now but good to read

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/index.php?sid=2b47d8fc6618a9f04bdeeea9c2d781fd

The only thing to do is to educate yourself by loads of reading and get advice fto find a good endo or self medicate, which many are having to do. There are good endo's out there but most will not treat if the bloods are normal. Often when there is mercury, the hypothalmic has been affected so the TSH will be normal. A good endo will go by symptoms.

Hope that helps.
Mati

Just had a thyroid tests done FT3 and FT4 by a conventional medicine doc. My FT3were mid-low (something andy cutler would say was not enough) and Ft4 a bit too high. He doesn't buy into amalgam illness yet i told him this looks like a emrcury ft4->ft3 conversion problem. He didn't buy it anyway. Chances are I have adrenal fatigue and am low in cortisol and I can be hypothyroid on a cellular level (which i didnt' bother to tell him).

Yet he prescibed me a thyroid suppressing drug. They should all be shot.

Jinx,
I know the feeling.. It makes me worry about future care with them. How much do they know (or not know).. Those poor people that really listen to them without checking it out on their own.



Guess I've gained something out of this, If my family's sick, I sure will research it on my own before taking their advice..

Got to work hard and be your own advocate, or else it could be hit or miss with them...
Beth

Thx Bex, Mati and Bann, Wow I didn't know that if you had merc illness that would do something to the hypothalmus to where the blood tests come up normal for thyroid! That was actually quite encouraging to me; to know that maybe Im not crazy like the Drs think I am or just a hypochondriac (depressed one!). Well, I started taking "thyroid essentials" for the last two days which has ashwaghanda, bladderwrack, L tyrosine, selenium, iodine and other vits.This morning my wake up temperature was 98.1. HMMM... its been between 97.4 and 96.3 the past couple weeks. It seems thats already helping. I browsed at Vitamin Shopp today and also found a Raw Thyroid supplement (from organic bovine source) like Armour. I decided to give it a try. It was only 15 bucks. My husband was all for it especially when I told him that my sex drive is directly related to my thyroid problem. I pray it works! Thanks you guys for your insight and guidance. take care, Diane

Jinx, I would recommend getting a saliva test done for cortisol. Once you know what your levels are, you can treat the hypoadrenia if indeed you have it, and then you'll be able to address the thyroid problem too.

Best wishes,
Linda.

You're welcome Diane <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Yep, mercury can bugger up all these things and in actual fact, it's one of the main problems it causes, which is why we suffer so much from mercury due to what it does inside the body with the glands and everything else.


Yep, this is not unheard of. I was helped by iodine, selenium, magnesium, within only a few days. My body needed the iodine that desperately that the change was near instantaneous. However, it's no substitute for the diet. I can't rely on iodine to fix my problems because they run MUCH deeper, but it has helped. The fact your temps have gone up is a great sign.

I wouldn't overdo it with taking too many things at once. Sometimes taking iodine as well as thyroid hormone can cause some issues. You may actually find the iodine and other supplements does more than enough. Read the links I sent carefully about this issue.


lol!

I really REALLY believe that GPs are dangerous, and particularly ignorant when it comes to treating thyroid. My doctor, who put me on T4 only meds (before I knew anything about anything) caused my subsequent adrenal crash, from which my adrenals have never recovered. OK they were weak anyway, but T4 meds were the coup de grace. Thanks doc <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" /> ...

I firmly believe the best thing to do with thyroid matters is to forget about the GP, except may be for tests, smile politely when he says your results are normal (they always are, no matter what state you're in), read stopthethyroidmadness and treat yourself. You CANNOT rely on a doctor to get this right. Even my highly knowledgeable hormone specialist who treats thryoid / adrenals says 'you are your own best doctor'. I think that is the best thing a doctor can say to his patient.

Nicola

Dianne, you can try supplements to boost T3 like Selenium, Iodine. Other supplements like forskolin also promote T3. You can research "wilsons temperature syndrome" also and check http://drrind.com/

Cheers

Sorry to add a little more here to your troubles, but, over many years I went to such doc's and only with perseverance have winkled out the answers to my problems.

Take into consideration that Hg affects the enzyme that converts T4 to the more potent T3 thyroid hormone. Therefore, taking synthroid (T4) will only have a short term affect on your symptoms before you start to wonder why you're taking these meds. The root cause is the Hg.

Parasites such as Giardia and Amoebas, depending on how infected you are, will shut your thyroid down. In fact I know of at least two doctors that treated their patients by, not prescribing thyroid meds, but by treating the parasites. They release chemicals to suppress your immune system and neurochemicals etc. Proper little chemical factories, all so they can reproduce.

The root cause of my massive infection turned out to be Hg poisoning. The Hg suppresses the immune system in your intestinal track and therefore leave the parasites to multiply uncontrollably, even with a very small exposure. My brother also suffered from dysentery, and he always lived in England, never went to far off lands. Considering these little beasties have evolved (Darwin again) they have no fear of Chlorine any longer and can readily be found in swimming pools.

Something worth taking into consideration.

Can you provide any further details about the above-mentioned enzyme, and how mercury affects it? (Any articles or links you can share, perhaps?) I have been on T3/T4 and iodine for about three weeks and it has not helped at all yet.
~ Thanks ~

I'm working on adrenal and thyroid issues now according to www.stopthethyroidmadness.com. I've been taking 1/4 grain of Naturethroid a day along with some low doses of hydrocortisone and Isocort for adrenal support during the last week.

I tried this in March but I think that I moved to fast and I got overstimulated and had to quit. I'm going to move slower this time and hope and pray that it works.

It's too soon to have a party but I feel pretty good today. If I'm suffering from hypothyroidism I know that it will take awhile for me to get up to the optimal dose of Naturethroid.

check out this site...

http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/index.html

there's some good information in the FREE e-books that he provides...

Thank God for doctors! I went to see one on Monday and If it wasnt for her I would never have realised that my symptoms are purely pyschological!

waiting room time: 35mins
consultation 7mins (1st time there)

one glance at me really,one quick glance,over the top of her glasses you know and the rest of the time looking at some paper on her desk,no blood pressure check no nothing...
cost :50 euros "see you now...next!"

What a waste of time ,money and energy,then she suggested I get a mercury level blood test.
When I explained I could not fast for too long (for blood tests,because I get low blood sugar),she asked if I was diabetic,I said no,she said you'll be fine just eat a cracker!before the test.
She gave me a blood test sheet to take to hospital to get the tests and did not mark the tests I'd requested and so I ticked the boxes myself.
To the untrained I look fine most of the time but it took me most of a day to rest up
before I went and the next day exhausted after it.That's just not good enough.
another thing when I got to docs there were 3 people before me so that works out as 200euros for 42mins work,does that sound nuts to anyone else?
Oh yeah and as usual (doctors always ask me if I'd like to "go on the pill" she offered me the contraceptive pill
what the

Sunflower, this is disgusting, but sadly not uncommon. This is why the internet is the place we come because of the ongoing failure from many doctors. Many of them have been almost completely useless to me, except when it was something typical, easily recognisable textbook stuff. I spent years trying to get their help and all I got was utter bullsh*t, except by one or two that were at least somewhat alternative and one got me onto yeast.

But apart from that? I was put on antidepressants, the blood tests never showed anything wrong, so therefore nothing was wrong. I was sent to anxiety groups, psychologists etc. Anybody looking at me would know something wasn't right, i was often very pale (almost grey sometimes). One alternative doctor recognised I was sick just by my appearance and he got me working on candida which helped immensely, didn't cure me, but saved my life.

However, even then I had to do it on my own. I was told all kinds of things - emotional blocks, mental blocks, that it stemmed back into my childhood (I had a wonderful childhood by the way, luckier than many kids), that it went further back than that and started even before I was conceived (yep, I kid you not and that somehow I had resentment). Another one said "I wonder why you chose mercury?" (as a way of saying that I made the choice to suffer this before I was even conceived).

Just like you, you can wait for half an hour or more to get into see them, then get about 10 minutes of their time and you're out the door with a huge bill and zero satisfaction and this seems to be getting worse and becoming more common. I stopped going to them a long time ago, I only go now to get them to fill out my 3 monthly medical form. THen I steer clear, unless I have some severe infection or something that may require medical intervention.

There is a lot of greed. I've seen it all too often. I don't class them all under that catagory, but there seems alot that are. Some will charge as much as they can possibly charge, even to patients on sickness benefits that can barely afford it. One 10-15 visit to my doctor actually wipes out a big chunk of my weekly income (benefit). This is why I stay away. Just a phone call alone will do the same, even to find out something or because something was forgotten and I had to phone back. Wham, a bill arrives in the mail. I've had to try and find another doctor for times I cannot afford to go to my other one.

lol about the contraception pill!!!! GOOD GRIEF!!!!!! I remember a doctor put me on the contraception pill as she felt it might 'balance me out more" (I did not have a boyfriend either) and it made me sicker than ever, so I took myself off it. They're almost hell bent on on medicating. Whether antidepresants, the pill, anything, anything at all. ONe wanted me on cholesterol controlling drugs and I said "NO". The drug companies are milking it!

Don't get me wrong, there are some cases where they can actually work out for a person, but many times I have heard they are far from good, cause many side effects and can make other problems much worse or CAUSE other problems, then they get more drugs to help with what the other drug is causing and so it goes on. My Grandfather died from over-medicating by doctors, it affected his kidneys and that's what killed him. He was taking so many a day, it looked like a bowl of smarties! One of them caused hallucinations too.

Its typical Sunflower. I don’t waste my time, energy nor money anymore with normal doctors. Looks like you are coming to the same conclusion. They just muddy the waters anyway, saying you are fine when things are clearly not. Bloody wankers, here is another quality quote from my adventures:

“Doctor doctor, I can’t wash up the dishes anymore, my back hurts like crazy for about 1 week after 10 minutes of washing up bending over the sink. Really hurts and I have to go and lie down. What do I do?”

I swear to god I was told the following and sent away:

“Then don’t do the washing up!”

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Never again…………….

Hi Bex &Sunshine,
I know about doctors!Came to that conclusion along time ago!
Just wanted to give out about it!!! I had still not made it to see a doc since I turned yellow tinted a while back and just wanted a check over but as you heard was waste of time.
I never go to them but I needed some blood tests and was told about this great doc...but he was away for the week and so that other doc was standing in.But I took myself along with an open mind,reminding myself that there are a few good drs out there and this could be one of them.

But one positive thing is while in the waiting room I got chatting to a guy who used to work for local tv,doing a programme on various topics(they did one a while ago about fluoride in the water) and so he gave me his email to see if we can set up programme about mercury.He actually suggested it not me.
If we can get this together than the trip to the docs well worth
it after all! A blessing in disguise!

yes the pill & antidepressants, they always offer me them!
I was offered a yeast tablet last year for a yeast infection (with the pill) yep that should clear it right up,
and coke for my low blood sugar.(that should bring me back looking for insulin at some point down the line!)
coca cola commissions for the drs?

I've also had poor experiences with mainstream medicine. After 11 years of psychiatric treatment I was just as sick as I was when I started. Afterwards my psychiatrist noted that nothing he prescribed worked very well for me. Of course he had seen the same thing happen hundreds of times.

The physicians are just middlemen. It's the people that run the corporations that really control our health care system and they make certain that doctors have limited training and resources.

Aaron,


You are right... I'd also read that Doctors are supplied their books and study guides from the pharmaceuticals companies. Isn't that a real kicker for us. Money is the root of all evil...

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I've heard of that too,the colleges and courses are funded by the pharmaceuticals.I recently heard of a man refusing to do his trainung because of the that funding.

Yes, the pharmaceutical companies control the curriculum in the medical schools. Of course they are trained to rely heavily on drugs to treat their patients.

It's a perfect system. It's perfect for making people sick, keeping people sick, and eventually sending them to an early death. It's a great system for reducing the world population and that's what the elite want.

Aaron - you forgot that the pharmaceutical companies are getting rich in the meantime. It's perfect economics for those companies.
I read recently that 50% of Americans are on some kind of prescribed medication. (Are so many of us that sick that we need to depend upon a pharmaceuticals to maintain a better quality of life? or is it what we are told ? They have never proven that taking these meds extends your life.)
The majority of prescribed medications is for high blood pressure and cholesterol. They never look to find the sources of these imbalances except to treat them with meds. How irritating and frustrating !
Most times, medicine doesn't address a person's health.
It's used to band-aid the symptom(s).
Cause of symptoms isn't looked into <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/aaarggh.gif" alt="" />
unless you find doctors that are willing to go that extra step.
D