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Does AI say anything about this supplement? Seems like if it binds it still needs to be removed. "Curcumin can bind with heavy metals such as cadmium and lead, thereby reducing the toxicity of these heavy metals. This property of curcumin explains its protective action to the brain."
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AI = Amalgam Illness by Cutler
Yes it does. Page 135 and 149
“Curcumin 500-2000mg – increases biliary secretion. It may be helpful to those not secreting enough bile to get rid of their toxins who do not have an underlying cause for this such as low taurine. Use curcumin cautiously! It is also a liver antioxidant. Curcumin increases circulating levels of nonprotein sulfhydryl compounds and thus is likely not to be tolerated by individuals with high plasma cysteine or sulphur food reaction. Curcmin is discussed in more detail Murray (1995) “
I cannot handle sulphur foods nor cysteine so this would be no good for me.
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Yes, Andy also talks about it as having the ability to slow liver phase I down and speed phase II up at the sametime, which is ideal for anybody suffering from this bad combination (like myself).
It seems to be very beneficial. Anybody with fast liver phase I and underactive phase II, is in a bad situation. Not only will toxins that come into the body be made MORE toxic, but underactive phase II is not able to catch up and get rid of them, so they accummulate.
This bad balance is either due to genetic uniqueness, or from long term toxicity or drug/alcohol intake (at least this is what my testing form suggested).
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curcumin is found in turmeric , can milk thistle work the same way?
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I don't think milk thistle works the same way, but it is always good to take because it's protective for the liver and apparently supports new growth of liver cells.
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I really did not feel the toxicity effects of the mercury untill after coming off the anti depressants that I was on for about 2 years ,I wonder if they messed up my phase one and two liver metabolism I may give the curcumin a try in the future i know that my phase one is very fast as I can take any type of medication and is in my system within 10 min after taking it
can you take it in the turmeric form or does it have to be a suppliment type? does anyone know if once the mercury is detoxed does the liver metabolism return to normal ?
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Well, I know that Andy does recommend anti-depressants if they help offset some of the symptoms of mercury. However, in many people they may cause more problems than not due to side effects. I just think if someone can do without them, then definitely do so. I'd imagine they may also hinder detox a little too and who knows what they might do with longer term use.
I never got much help from then. The only help I got with my severe depression and anxiety was being on a candida diet. And later chelating properly.
I'm not sure what form you should take the curcumin. I do not know if the liver phases return balance out once detoxed, but I'd imagine they probably would if the cause is mercury.
I really messed myself up badly when I smoked a load of cigarettes in one night. For many many months on end. So my body just cannot eliminate toxins properly, they tend to stay put and cause ongoing issues.
And this includes toxins from yeast overgrowth too. So I have to watch my diet, and watch my exposure to other toxins as well and then if I keep this up, at some point improvement is noticed.
Also in managing fast live rphase I and slow liver phase II, it is actually important to take things to encourage phase II. you can't go wrong doing that. Like fish oil, antioxidants, proper diet. All help liver phase II, but mainly they're good for the overall liver. Milk thistle also.
Liver phase I can be slowed down a bit apparently by things like onions, grapefruit and the curcumin.
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hi bex : hope you had a good christmas , what candida diet do you do to control the yeast and are there any type of substitutes for wheat bread , I eat alot of it and find it very hard to elliminate it from my diet , what other type of food do you eat on your diet
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Hi Mikey, thanks I did have a good Christmas! HOpe you did too.
The diet I have to stick to is stricter than what it used to be because I'm much sicker than what I once was. I have discovered that I cannot eat any grain at all because they are all high in carbs and can still feed candida. The worst offender is wheat/gluten though. I cannot eat any fruit (high in natural sugars), honey (same reason), milk or cheese (lactose/mold), potatoes/corn/beans/peas (high in carbs).
I can consume the following : vegetables (excluding the ones above), meats (lamb, chicken, beef, pork, liver, etc), eggs, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, almonds/brazil nuts, butter, extra virgin olive oil, lard, the fat on meat with the meat, cod liver oil, sardines, acidophilus sugar free plain yoghurt.
I drink mainly herbal tea and depending on how I am sometimes I do have ordinary tea and coffee (but I have to be careful with coffee). I never add any milk.
That is basically my diet and the only one I can handle. Deviating from it causes problems. Even a baileys coffee with some milk added can cause a relapse. Or having grain or potatoe chips or something like that. I cannot eat anything with sodium nitrate (sausages etc).
Some people might not need to go quite so strict and can consume limited fruit (2-3 pieces a day), limited non gluten grain like rice, corn, millet, etc. Milk, maybe some cheese.... And i used to be able to do that once, not so anymore.
If/when I ever improve, I maybe able to relax my diet to include more of those foods, but until them the only way I can function is by sticking to the stricter version.
Your difficulty eliminating wheat bread is no doubt due to the fact you maybe allergic to it and its possibly feeding the yeast as well. It is really hard to get rid of certain foods that may actually be making you quite sick or REALLY sick. You may do yourself the world of good by getting that out of your diet, particularly in mercury toxicity. Wheat apparently is treated with a mercury fungicide (if i'm not mistaken, which might account for the symptoms i used to get when eating it, I'd get almost immediate poisoning symptoms), plus the fact it contains gluten which is a big problem with many people and eliminating gluten alone can sometimes effect almost a cure in certain people. I would steer clear of it.
If you MUST eat some kind of grain or bread, I'd stick to limited non gluten/ non yeast kinds. Corn, rice, millet, sago, buckwheat, etc are some substitutes if you can find them. But always make sure on the packet there is no added sugars, malt etc.
Doing things on top of that diet may also help like chelation, parasite cleanses etc.
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thanks for the reply bex , sounds like you are on a very strict diet indeed , I hope that one day that you can enjoy other things in your diet, I will try to find other types of breads that do not contain gluten , we have a store in town that may carry these items , you had mentioned that you had never used ala in the past for chelation , this may explain the trapped brain mercury that may be causing alot of your problems , are you considering giving it a try? if so I hope that it helps you
I also read in amagam illnes that taking NAC is supposed to help increase glutathione levels and increase phase 2 metabolism , can this be taken while using dmsa and ala together.
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Hi Mikey, y/w. Yes it is strict. It has to be, and I think part of that is the ongoing infection/s in my body that requires big efforts to keep bacteria levels down because my immune system is almost shot.
Before I had these infections, I only needed to avoid sugar, wheat, gluten and yeast. I could still eat fruit, potatoe chips, non gluten grains, milk etc. Which amazes me!
You maybe more like that! But if you find you still get symptoms, it's a good idea to go stricter. Natural sugars, high carbs can still feed candida and are best avoided or limited at least if you are serious about candida. My diet is actually extremely healthy and I'm happy with it. I just wish I could add some fruit and non gluten grain to it (and milk), but it's not to be for now.
Yeah, ALA is next on my agenda. I do wonder about trapped brain mercury is being one possible contributing factor to stubborn yeast infections and/or other infections too! It does make me wonder...
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