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Andy Cutler lauds saunas as ways to remove extracellular mercury. And there's a widespread belief that saunas and sweating remove 'toxins.'
Yet I can't really find any real research that backs this up besides assertions. In fact, many argue that the body simply does not remove impurities via sweating.
Does anyone here have any good research or evidence that saunas really can remove heavy metals, PCBs, etc etc?
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Hi blicero,
Focusing on studies and empirical evidence can be a sidetrack. First, trust your inutition. Second, trust successes and experience of other people. Third, trust studies.
Lab tests, while useful at times, remove the human aspect of therapies. How a therapy ultimately affects a vial or test tube is different than how it would effect a person.
With all of that said, I have heard fantastic things about saunas and sweating in general from many people, including many wise ones. I have been using clay baths to draw out mercury and they have helped me a lot. I would recommend saunas but I would recommend clay baths even more since they have helped me.
Good luck with everything -Colin
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I just sit in a hot tub for about a half hour ,I feel that it helps me in three ways ,first it helps with painfull joints ,it helps draw out some toxins and you don't have to shower off like after a suana( works for me)
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For info on the effectiveness of saunas, check out Dr. Sherry Rogers -- just type in her name on the net. She has data on what is "sweated out" and she says that saunas are the best way to detox mercury and nearly all other poisons we are subjected to in this toxic world. One of her books is called "Detoxify or Die" and she talks a lot about the infrared saunas in that book.
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I looked around. There are tons of references to "scientific studies" about sweating and toxins, but literally not a single one can be found on the web or on Pubmed.
Hey, I WANT it to be true. It would be a lot more comforting to me if at least one study showed that indeed mercury, lead, PCBs, dioxins, etc etc are excreted via sweating.
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I know saunas are widely used at the Environmental health center in Dallas for people with chemical sensitivities (this is is a very big treatment center for people with MCS). I have read a lot on the topic and know some people who claim they feel better with saunas and they take saunas regularly and also after exposures. I bought a sauna that I have yet to set up. I do know that they take a lot of minerals out of you, so it is important to supplement, and Sherry Rogers book outlines a number of supplements that are good to take right before and right afterwards. I don't know about studies though specific to mercury.
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Saunas are an official treatment for mercury toxicity in some mining operations where people get exposed to mercury. They said they have very good results with it.
Saunas are also used in the U.S. with autistic children with raging success. Of course, you won't hear that on the news.
I guess a study of this type would not be so hard. You just have to have access to the right equipment.
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I saw this post and thought there must be some research out there that says sauna detoxes mercury, like Russ said it would be easy to prove with the right equipment. But like you Blicero i have been unable to find one piece of research that confirms it.
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I found this post on Adult metal chelation. Cant vouch for its validity but looks interesting
1. Clinical response to therapeutic agents in poisoning from mercury vapor. Sunderman FW., Ann Clin Lab Sci. 1978 Jul-Aug; 8(4):259-69. PMID: 210702
"Exposure to mercury vapors for an hour per working day over a period of 13 years produced in a thermometer manufacturer severe signs and symptoms of mercury poisoning.
Analyses of the patient's sweat indicated that appreciable amounts of mercury were excreted by this route.
Following the alleviation of the severe symptoms by BAL, the patient was placed on a regimen of daily sweats and physio-therapy for a protracted period of several months. On this latter regimen, the mercury levels in the urine, blood serum and sweat were decreased to within the normal ranges of values."
2. The excretion of trace metals in human sweat. Cohn JR and EA Emmett, Annals of Clinical and Laboratory Science, Vol 8, Issue 4, 270-275
"The concentrations of zinc, copper, iron, nickel, cadmium, lead, manganese, sodium and chloride in the sweat of six males and three females were determined after collections utilizing a total body washdown technique. From our results, sweat appears to be an important excretory pathway for zinc and copper.
The mean concentrations of nickel and cadmium in sweat were higher than those reported for urine; that of lead was similar to urine. The loss of manganese in sweat is significant."
3. Fire Engineering, June 2003. Downtown Medical: A Detoxification Program for WTC Responders by David E. Root, M. D., MPH
"World Trade Center (WTC) - The first rescue workers started the program (sauna detox) on September 28, 2002. From the beginning, it was apparent that the program was causing changes. "One of the men was in the sauna, and he touched his towel to his skin and it turned blue." said Dr. Dahlgren. "His sweat was really blue, a bright blue color. We cut out a section of the towel and sent it to the laboratory for analysis, and it came back with very high levels of manganese and other metals, too."
The finding had considerable interest for Dr. Dahlgren. "Manganese is present in structural steel—about three percent of the steel is manganese," he said. "So when the Trade Towers came down, they undoubtedly exposed people to manganese vapor and dust. Manganese has some interesting characteristics—it causes a disease identical to Parkinson's that usually ends up appearing anywhere from 5 to 10 years after the exposure."
Clients continue to relate a variety of manifestations to clinic director Jim Woodworth. "Men have come in to tell me their bowel movements have been green or blue, or smelled like smoke. Some have had black paste coming out of the pores of their skin in the sauna. Their sweat has stained towels purple, blue, orange, yellow and black." he said.
"One client complained that he could taste soot from the site in his sweat in his mouth." said Woodworth. "We collected about two tablespoons of his sweat and held it up to the light. There were millions of tiny bits of dust—you could see it with the naked eye; his sweat was grey."
4. A comparative study of copper, lead, cadmium and zinc in human sweat and blood. Stauber JL, Florence TM. CSIRO Division of Energy Chemistry, NSW, Australia. Sci Total Environ. 1988 Aug 1;74:235-47 PMID: 3222694
"Zinc, cadmium, lead and copper in sweat from 24 male and 39 female volunteers were determined by anodic stripping voltammetry. Sweating was induced on the forearms by pilocarpine iontophoresis.
Average values found for zinc, cadmium, lead and copper in sweat from males were 181 (range 25-863), 1.4 (less than 0.5-10), 41 (6- 87) and 103 (less than 5-673) micrograms l-1, respectively. Zinc in sweat from females was significantly higher than in sweat from males (331 micrograms l-1, range 87-836 micrograms l-1), while sweat copper and sweat lead in females were lower (29 micrograms Cu l-1, range less than 5-146 micrograms Cu l-1 and 24 micrograms Pb l-1, range less than 5-66 micrograms Pb l-1)."
5, Trace elements in the sweat of acclimatized persons. Omokhodion FO, Howard JM. Department of Preventive and Social Medicine, University College Hospital, Ibadan, Nigeria.
Clin Chim Acta. 1994 Nov; 231(1):23-8. PMID: 7704945
"Sweat samples were collected from the arms of 15 normal, healthy subjects while they exercised on a cycle ergometer at room temperature. Samples were analysed for copper, zinc, manganese, nickel, cadmium and aluminium by atomic absorption spectrophotometry. Mean sweat levels determined for each element were as follows:
358.1 micrograms/l for Zn; 486.8 micrograms/l for Cu; 3.10 micrograms/l for Mn; 1.91 micrograms/l for Cd; 69.9 micrograms/l for Ni; 15.0 micrograms/l for Al
It appears that substantial quantities of trace elements are excreted in the sweat of those sweating habitually."
6. Detection of mercury and other undetermined materials in skin biopsies of endemic pemphigus foliaceus. Abreu Velez AM, Warfvinge G, Herrera WL, Abreu Velez CE, Montoya M F, Hardy DM, Bollag WB, Hashimoto K., Am J Dermatopathol. 2003 Oct; 25(5):384-91. Institute of Molecular Medicine and Genetic Medical College of Georgia, Augusta, GA 30912.
"A novel variant of endemic pemphigus foliaceus (EPF) was described among individuals in an area surrounding El Bagre, Colombia, South America. The population in this rural mining community is exposed to high environmental levels of mercury, used for gold extraction, as well as other minerals, metalloids, and trace elements (e. g., quartz, rutile, granite, magnetite, and almenite) and ultraviolet radiation.
Microscopic analysis revealed mercuric sulfides/selenides concentrated within and around the sweat gland epithelium, as well as in dendritic cells."
8. Industrial exposure to mercury. In J.O. Nriagu, Ed., Biogeochemistry of Mercury, Amsterdam, Dr. Woodhall Stopford, Duke University Medical Center Elsevier/North Holland), pp. 367-397, 1979.
a. "With prolonged or repeated severe exposures (to mercury), such that removing the patient from further exposure does not result in improvement in the clinical picture, further intervention to enhance excretion is called for. By far the earliest known form of therapy, and possibly still the most effective, is the induction of sweating by the use of sauna or steam baths."
b. "Lovejoy et al. 1973 suggested that sweating might be a reasonable form of therapy when they noted that sweat levels of mercury were higher than those found in urine of workers in the cell rooms of a chloralkali plant. As noted, sauna therapy of an individual with evidence of chronic mercurialism was effective at inducing a remarkable excretion of mercury via the sweat."
9. From "Mercury Study Report to Congress, Volume V: Health Effects of Mercury and Mercury Compounds", 1997, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
"Excretion of mercury after exposure of elemental mercury vapor may occur via exhaled air, urine, feces, sweat, and saliva. Excretion via sweat and saliva are thought to contribute only minimally to total excretion under normal circumstances. In workers who have perspired profusely, however, the total amount of mercury excreted in the sweat during 90 minutes ranged from 50% to 90% of that found in a 16-hour composite sample of urine (Lovejoy et al. 1974).
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i'm interested in doing some herbal body wrap that's supposed to detox and uses infrared as well.. but i'm taking herbs as well for an infection. would that make me sweat out a lot of the herbs i've accumulated?
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Saunas also cause people to secrete necessary minerals in sweat such as potassium, calcium, magnesium, sodium, etc. If you plan to do plenty of seating then it is necessary to increase your intake of these.
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thanks. a few days after the sauna i started to develop a "fever." i haven't had a fever since i got sick 2.5 years ago. my body temperature is normally below 96... somehere around 95.7 or so... but now it's at 97.8-98 and i have all the classic symjptoms. i know this isn't even normal body temperature, but it is a bit high for me. i heard fevers means its fighting an internal infection or something... now the question is, would another sauna help me or make things worse? thanks.
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I have sluggish adrenals -- was diagnosed via saliva cortisol testing with adrenal fatigue.
Does anyone know whether saunas taxes the adrenals too much?
I'm wondering whether sauna would be good for me. I'd like to try it .... I'm just afraid of what it might do to someone with an adrenal problem.
Anyone know?
Thanks in advance.
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i did a few saunas last year, sometimes i felt good after, but other times not. i have read saunas play havoc with the adrenals.. i just drank water, your supposed to take salt in the water and other supplements. i would like to buy a pop up home sauna one day, they are about £100 onwards.
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I have to sweat, I need to find a sauna nearby, particularly infrared....it is a great way to detox, sure saves on pulling the mercury out thru the kidneys.
best love, Sandi xoxo
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First, trust your inutition. Second, trust successes and experience of other people. Third, trust studies. Well, one out of three isn't too bad.
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I rented a sauna for some time it made absolteluy no difference to my condtioin whatsoever
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I have sluggish adrenals -- was diagnosed via saliva cortisol testing with adrenal fatigue.
Does anyone know whether saunas taxes the adrenals too much?
I'm wondering whether sauna would be good for me. I'd like to try it .... I'm just afraid of what it might do to someone with an adrenal problem.
Anyone know?
Thanks in advance. The heavy metals are playing havoc on your system - a 12C glandular may help - have to try it out - if feel worse then quit, and just have to do low dose dmsa - say 50mg every 4th day - take cilantro drops AM and PM http://www.elixirs.com/products.cfm?productcode=GL217
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