Guys, do you believe that after one's got rid of mercury from ther brains/bodies and got onto a good nutritional/health programme , the brain will heal and get back to the state as if it was never poisoned at all (or at least near)? Of course, given the time.

I know one can never know the answers to those "what if " questions, and that it all depends on how much damage has been done etc, so I'm really asking about your personal beliefs, not logical calculations.

I've lost so much of my brains I feel merely a human being anymore, I remember being an intelligent person, creative with some talents and now I'm just an empty shell of that. And I don't just mean the emotional aspect of it. Whenever I watch a film, read an article, or talk to people I feel like I'm missing A LOT, getting only bits of the whole picture, like I'm so inadequate.

I guess the being with people aspect is the worse - having swallowed mercury from a thermometer at the age of 5 (which came out the next day in stool), and having 7 amalgams put in the following years, I've always had those doubts and trouble whether I'm clicking on with people well, whether I feel what they do, though I always considered myself an empathic person.

On top of that, everything seems so repetetive; perception of the world, thoughts, like one's a robot. NO personality whatsoever in oneself, nor the perception of a UNIQUE personality in others.

Now, I know most of it is very typical for mercury poisoning, but if it becomes that bad, is it really possible to recover??
Do u believe, againts all the conservative doctor's, beliefs that the brain can actually heal itself, restore?!?

Hi Jinx, yes it can. Not all this is brain mercury, some is liver etc, they can all cause mental symptoms. Most of course will probably be brain as the mercury usually ends up there.

Yeah the brain can and does heal. Once a person reduces their blood levels of mercury, they can then use something to help detox the brain like lipoic acid, but used safely.

Also, essential fatty acids help heal the brain becuase the brain is made up mostly of fat. Andy Cutler recommends flaxseed oil (up to 2 tablespoons daily, mixed in plain yoghurt or with cottage cheese etc) and borage oil with it. Reason being these are more economical than taking piles of fish oil. I think it's good to have them all to be honest, butter as well.

But once enough mercury has been removed, yes things can and do repair. But whilst the mercury is there, you will continue to have these feelings. I experience them all too. It is like not being "you" anymore and not really seeing other people as interesting as much. I feel like I have no feeling. And yes I have trouble reading and watching programmes and I often get mental fears of things that don't make sense. So I'm half dead, then I'm afraid for no reason, and have no interest all at the sametime.

It's like being alive, yet not really existing.

I ask myself the same question every day and I know from SPECT scans that I definitely have brain damage. My doctor thinks that it is possible to recover and on my better days I also feel that way.

All you can do is take the toxins out and put good nutrients in and pray a lot. That's what I do.

I believe we will be better, maybe not as good as we once were, but I was much better after removing my amalgams...as long as I followed the diet. If I strayed, I could feel more mercury methylating right away. And now with the platinum from the chemo, I can feel some of the old symptoms returning...so I am going to go for a glutathione IV tomorrow to see if I can clean up my liver a bit...another chemo one week from tomorrow...yuck!!!!

Keep on keepin' on!!! You will get better!!!

Sandi
xoxo

I'm going crazy again today, god why the hell this is all happening to me!!! ... my brain works like at 5%.... sorry for the repetetiveness but I don't see any hope for me anymore... I'm probably blabbing and making any sense.
I'm getting all these negative schizo- symptoms, I'm a vegetable...

Nothing works, the damn NCD did nothing for me, I can't take it anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jinx, this is a long shot, and I know you still have amalgams, but maybe you may need to try some DMSA (tried the safe way) and see if something can be improved.

I know that is not always recommended, and there are professionals on both sides of the fence. Some say never chelate with amalgams, some say do it right away regardless.

You are obviously in a dire situation and I really don't know what can get you into some kind of state where you can even cope. one lady on here is chelating with amalgams still in and she said it has helped her and now it's given her hope to get through the day and possibly go through with amalgam removal.

Sorry Jinx, this maybe the only way. What else can they do? You're already trying to much already and really you're going to get contradictory answers no matter where you turn. And I would never suggest chelating with amalgams, but as there are opinions from professionals on both sides, perhaps you may need to try it.

In your situation, if it were me? I think I would finally try it. I woudl suggest if you do, that perhaps you try low dose DMSA and do it the every 4 hourly routine (even waking up at night). You do it about 3 days straight when you're able to.

It's up to you of course, but in this state, I just don't know what else to suggest. Diet is extremely necessary yes, but if you are not getting better at all from that, perhaps this is another option.

DMSA helps a lot. What's also really important is a good vitamin/mineral supplement on days off from chelating, a good double dose of vitamins/minerals on those days.

I got an excellent powder supplement, the All-1 2.2 lb here:

http://www.healthmasters.com/products/index.shtml

and then Ted sells a DMSA chelator (Chelation Therapy) also that is exactly the same formula as the one my doctor gave me. Selenium is important too but don't overdo the selenium. There is selenium in the All-1 but a little extra is probably a good idea.

I was hurting a tad from a lot of chelating the past week... went into my doctor's office and they gave me an IV vitmain/mineral which made me feel excellent, made some burning sensations I've had for a couple months disappear. so it's not all chelating for sure, it's also about good nutrition to feed the body with good stuff instead of poison.

I agree with Bex about the fatty acids, flax, evening primrose, Ted also sent me some verified mercury free cod liver oil which is very yummy and very good for me. Ted stressed the cod liver oil as important.

Certain cells in the body such as brain cells and egg cells do not regenerate. This is probably why women who have high levels of hg exposure go through menopause early. Research shows that hg kills brain cells.

I dont mean to be rude Jill, but do you know that for definate. I dont think that reply is at all helpful to Jinx and its really something he dosent need to hear right now. Like I said I dont mean to be rude but a statement like that to anyone suffering disturbing mental symptoms needs loads of encouragement and if you really know those facts, you've every right to post them if you wish, but please as I say some people are very vunerable and need loads of encouragement. Sorry for butting in Jinx mate, hope your ok, hugs Tracy x

Aw, heck some a them brain cells y all don't need to worry about anaways, just think a them as the cells that made ya buy the electric light up underpants,I'm bettin a lot of us fell for those,mainly we just gotta keep keepin on, I know a lot a REAL smart folks who don't know the MEANING A LIFE!.
Now,Dr./lawyer jill, ( shouldn't that be a capital, feel rude this way) we're gettin a lot a "don't do this, don't do that, we need a do do.
many thanks

Why don't you tell us the meaning of life Elvis.
As far as brain cells , maybe a genius like you has a surplusage but others need all the ones they were born with, if not more.
My brain cells tell me not to accept nutritional advice from Elvis .Your diet consists of fried chicken with a pound of butter on top.
Are you trying to umply that I'm acting like Ms know it all, Elvis?

already posted that
nope
nope
yup (i don't usually umply, just plain ol blurt it out)
Bex sorted me out re good fats bad fats=
Elvis re-mixed
no offense
and this is off topic BTW
and I'm sure y'all got the best a intentions

thanx Elvis. The good fats are a crucial part of brain healing, which is what this thread is about. That is why I pass that on. Hal Huggins mentions it also, proteins and fats to help heal a mercury toxic brain/body, whilst avoiding all the baddies like sugar, gluten, caffeine, milk etc.

Jinx, I know how you feel. I have experienced many of your symptoms. And the worst thing is that you feel sooo isolated from the outside world that the only thing you can think about is how stupid you feel. I was feeling my brain just wasn't in my head. How I resolved it? I STOPPED ALL SUPPLEMENTS. A week without pills followed by two-day fast made miracles for me. I still have 8 filling (which I am planning to remove shortly) but symptoms almost disappeared when I completely stopped supplementation. I have noticed that zinc triggers most of the symptoms. I don't know why it is, I just know it.

I have bad days occasionally but now I know it is reversible. It took me only few days. I don't know if this will work for you but a try won't hurt you.

I hope this will help you feel better.
(Sorry for my English)

wow anonymous, that is really disturbing about the supplements. Do you feel they were encouraging any detox to occur? Or do you think you just reacted badly to them? and do you still have amalgams?

Also what supplements were they apart from zinc? because some "supplements" can indeed cause worse symptoms from stirring mercury up and around and can be very risky to use.

Good idea though, best to start from a clean slate, have nothing and then start out with one thing perhaps to see reactions. Can you handle vitamin C at all? even alone?

This has really got me concerned, but curious. It makes me wonder how much these things cause more problems sometimes than perhaps they are worth. Also many supplements contain some ingredients like soy, wheat etc that may also set off problems.

Definitely it was a detox reaction and yes I still have 8 amalgams. That is why I have decided to remove them first. Not all supplements make me sick - but many of them do. Since I have no time and desire to experiment I just stopped them all and I feel a huge difference. Well, I am still noticing the effect of mercury in my brain, but it is not so dramatic.

The truth is my story is quite strange. First when I started to take supplements (multivitamin and mineral complex) I didn't even know about mercury poisoning. However, since I felt sick(nauseas and lack of energy, but no brain symptoms) I started investigating and this is how I found about mercury and amalgams. The truth is that symptoms were not very disturbing at that moment. I decided to I try supplements one by one to see what triggers symptoms and what doesn't. B complex, B6 and zinc was the problematic ones. Then I decided to just stop supplements and just live my life until I have enough money to remove amalgams, and find good expert on mercury chelation.

5 months later I read that if you take supplements with a lack of gastric acid symptoms similar to mine may appear. So I decided to give it a try. When I started to take Betaine HCl + Pepsine with my previous multivitamin I started feel poisoned, drugged, with no energy, I lost my sense for reality, felt extreme thirst, get gastroenteritis, lost several kilograms of body weight, etc. I was sure I would die or I would lose my sanity. Then I just stopped taking supplements and in a week I was an almost normal human being again. Two weeks ago I tried to take some zinc (only 15mg) and felt poisoned again.

I think that the Betaine Hcl has started a severe detox process.

Im glad im not the only one who finds vitamins hard to tolerate.

My mum laughed when I said I cant take a B -complex as I feel I get so dizzy and tense and she said those things cant cause problems like that and looked at me as if I was crazy.

I dont know if its a sensitivity or if it has something to do with my mercury or gut...

HI yeah it could be a detox reaction, or as JoeUK says, it could also be gut problems. When you have leaky gut etc, you can react to things like supplements poorly. When the gut is further healed, you may find you can absorb them properly without such reactions. Though I think it's safer to keep things basic to be honest.

Diet alone can be a good start to healing the gut or improving it anyway. But if the culprit to all this is mercury or something else, obviously it's got to be dealt to before someone will a more permanent cure. THat's why I think it's wise to treat candida at the sametime as dealing with the underlining cause of it (mercury or other).

A mercury poisoned will be better off than being the same after chelation, for a mercury poisoned person would turn into the real self finally.

hi everyone, just wanted to say I'm in the exact situation as tracy is and sorry for the morbid post as well, but I'm really losing my mind, have no control over my head anymore, today i got up and sat there for half an hour staring at one point, than had trouble washing and dressing myself, I'm forgetting how to use objects like spoon, kettle etc... I can't really recall what I have been doing the last days, or the chronology of it... every day is worse... I'm losing contact with reality guys, plus I'm having problems walking and the worse thing about it is that I think all of it is brain mercury (seriously) which means that once I become a vegetable in a matter of days or weeks , even once my body detoxes (if it gets a chance), things will be looking bad for me anyway, as my brain will be stuck with mercury. My head feels as if it has been filled with concrete.

I had a psychosis 2 days ago, had the urge to jump of the window or do sthg to my family, god...

I just cry all day to my mother that it can't be the end, not like this, but my mother tries to have faith that it all will be ok, I know she's on the verge too, but the truth is that everyday is WORSE, WORSE WORSE!!!!!!!!!

I tried a one day dmsa round per bex's reccommenadtion (15mg or so) it seemed to help in stabilizing but also increasing brain mercury, I guess that's how it feels at least, so i don't know it to take it at all, since i still have 5 filings (those who know my story know). I took 25mg dmsa 3h ago and it helped me write this post I guess, bnut I don't know anymore what's helping and what isn't.

oh and yesterday i had tooth extracted with one filling, so that leaves me with 2 bigger fillings and 2 small ones , am scechuled to have the two former teeth extracted on may 10th but I don't know if I will last that long.

I guess i want to say goodbye if I dont make it, it seriously is THAT BAD... and thanx to everybody, esp to bex, tracy, and sandi...

(ps. the dentis I went to yesterday has been recently diagnosed with MS , gee wonder where that came from... plus she was exhibiting some mercury behavioral traits but it could be my head)

Mike

HI Mike this is just nightmarish to read and see this happening to you or anybody and at your age. I mean sh*t. You know I'd never recommend anything with medication, as I am not a doctor, but as you had tried everything and there wasn't anymore able to be done, all I could do was suggest the andy cutler method of chelation to see if that might actually control "something" at least in the meantime. Normally I'd never recommend chelating with amalgams in the mouth, but when your out of suggestions and nobody else seems to be able to help you, what else is there?

If you are already underway with some of these mercury teeth being removed, is there anyway you can somehow or a rather hold on? Do you think the DMSA in one way may have helped a bit? It does need to be taken continually (every 4 hours) in order to control some symptoms. Otherwise it could make things worse, at least it does for many people.

I'm sorry Jinx, I mean this kind of stuff is really something that should be in the direct hands of an expert and I wish Andrew Cutler was there and could do something for you at this point. Or someone equally as up on this as he is and knows how to control symptoms.

Look Jinx, even if the mercury is in your brain, yes you CAN reverse this. You may think you're crazy, you may act crazy, but it is the mercury and mercury moves, mercury can be moved!!! The problem is, how do we get you to stay? How does one get you to remain and somehow stay on some kind of even "remote" stability, even just to function enough to get these things done? That's the issue here.

Yeah I really think the mercury in you is in bad areas, or you would not be like this now. See even some mercury toxic people have it easier than you because their mercury is not in such bad places and their weaknesses maybe different than yours, so they may not have those symptoms.

Jinx at this point, you must hold on somehow, because you won't know if even the extraction of those teeth might actually do something. And you know once they are out, you can chelate, but the problem lies in getting you to chelate safely and continually as suggested.

Mercury toxic people, in the state you are in, are very hard to chelate, because they are so poisoned, they struggle to even fucntion let alone continue taking a pill every 4 hours, setting that alarm and never messing up. Andy speaks of this too, and to me it's just tragic. They need someone actually doing it for them.

Jinx, I seriously wish you could be put to sleep, and have the teeth removed, and someone administer the correct chelation and just let you be out to it the entire time, because this is just torment for you. the last thing you should do is start feeling that you should be dead. The only thing that should be dead is the mercury not yourself.

bex - as usual thank you so much for your thorough answer, the dmsa thing is that it helps with one thing , but makes things worse with others, at least that's what it seems. An example: I took dmsa in the afternoon and it helped me write that post, I wouldn't without it, was completeley out there, but at the same time, the more I do it (in terms of rounds length), the more brain-dead I feel, I don't know how else to explain it, I've been thinking that the dmsa liberated or on its own mercury is dumped into my GI track and it gets insantly methilated by candida which goes str8 to my brain, dunno.

Like I said, I'm in a state that cant really say what helps anymore and what does harm.

Hi Jinx, no problem. Yeah the issue is you won't know because you still have amalgams and in doing chelation it's risky.. I know some people do it though and some claims it's helped and enabled them to get some improvement to where they are actually able to get the amalgams out.

It's one thing being ill with mercury in one way, it's another when it's driving you crazy and causing you to have trouble even functioning.

I had to watch my diet with DMSA< because yeah chelation can flare up candida and it can feed it. So my diet had to be worked on at the sametime, or I got into trouble.

But at any rate, yes using the DMSA can make you feel worse as the round continues because of the detoxing going on, and brain fog is one of those problems. It may not be much consolation, but I've had that happen with myself on rounds and I dont' have amalgams! Sometimes taking the DMSA even more often (every 3 hours instead of 4) can improve that for some people. The real annoyance to this is having to wake up at night to take doses. setting the alarm and making sure you remember to do it.

Put it this way, it's definitely proved you have mercury and that mercury must be in areas the DMSA can get, or it would not show any of those symptoms. DMSA cannot really pass the Blood brain barrier to any clincial degree, unlike alpha lipoic acid. But you can definitely get brain fog, and candida can cause that as you know, but the candida that flares up a bit from chelation is one of those things sometimes that one has to tolerate in order to move out some mercury. Controlling things with diet is essential, but it doesn't always completely stop it.

Again though, it's the fact you still have amalgams that concerns me with chelation. I just hope you can manage to make it with getting them out soon. Also splitting up DMSA capsules into smaller amounts may help, but when you're in such a state as you are, the last thing you want or need is to sit there doing that.

You obviously need things to be as easy as possible when you're suffering this, or you just can't cope. 25 mg is a pretty reasonable dose, and a pretty stable one in my opinion, but yeah there are some people out there that are taking as low as 6 mg every 4 hours, so some really have to start at tiny doses.

bex would you say that after I have extracted the 2 bigger fillings, there should be much problem with the two small ones when chelating? would it be safe then?

though the ? was not directed towards myself,i'm going to jump the gun and say absolutely no to chelating with amalgam still in.
Regardless of the size,you could basically be making yourself worse by pulling mercury from the filling and distributing even more toxins into your tissues and brain.

Put it this way Jinx, if you're not coping and unable to even go forward with amalgam removal, I don't know what else you can do. Yes having less amalgams is obviously safer than having more. Though I see the caution of strength above, I am beginning to doubt the "never chelate with amalgams" idea.

You are swallowing DMSA and then from there will eventually be released into your blood stream. As it is not sitting your oral cavity, It is unlikely to do much to the amalgam mercury in your oral area, rather it will be working on the mercury in your blood stream.

Here is someone else's comments on another forum about this very problem. I will put it in quotes

"Many believe mistakenly that it will draw more Hg (mercury) from the amalgams and deposit it in the brain and organs causing more damage. However, since chelation is conducted on the blood, which isn't in contact with the amalgams in the mouth, your chelant would not further extract mercury from the amalgams in your mouth. The real reason is that if you are trying to remove mercury from your body, the blood is a first step; but if you don't remove the source of the contamination, then after chelation, through normal chewing and tooth usage, the mercury will re-enter and defeat the purpose of the chelation in the first place.

Suppose amalgams can not be removed for a few years. Yes, it is most important to remove the source of mercury, but why EXACTLY should one have to wait until after the amalgams are removed?"


Remember too, there are both sides of this. Some professionals do chelate their patients with amalgams in, some do not and say it shoudln't be done. I figure that it depends on the patient and whether they find it works for them. I am beginning to have trouble believing that a chelator that isn't even in the oral environment could actually be pulling more out of the amalgams..... To me it doesn't quite add up. Ideally yes the amalgams need to go, to turn the tap of contamination off, but my view on chelating with amalgams is starting to change.

The mercury is coming off your amalgams 24/7, if there is DMSA floating around your bloodstream, it will be grabbing onto mercury as it's on its way out of your system. So the continual release of mercury at least will have some DMSA in the system to grab onto it.

The key to this is the temporary help that you "might" have some chance to control "Some" symptoms in the meantime and actually begin to aid your body in reducing some of the mercury going into your blood. We both know you've been through utter hell and can hardly function let alone even consider more amalgam removals as you told us you cannot go through more, you are so poisoned and dysfunctional.

So let us consider this. A lady on here is chelating with amalgams, she can now get to a point where she can do the rest of her removals. She was so sick without chelation, she coudln't even consider it. Now? She has reached a point where she can now go through with amalgam removal, becuase she is chelating. If she stops chelating her symptoms return veryquickly as the mercury from amalgams just fills the blood right back up again!

So there are most definitely both sides to this issue. I personally am beginning to think that it makes no sense to not chelate to some extent with amalgams, as chelation is NOT in the mouth. It is in the blood, and that is where everybody MUST start removing mercury. THat is the place DMSA starts removing mercury and that is the areas that need cleaning up first and reducing. From there, one can later go onto heavier duty chelators.

Of course, to have a constant tap running of mercury from your amalgams 24.7 is not what you want either. But we are talking about this temporarily chelation that might actually help your body in possibly eliminating some as it's being constantly poisoned at the sametime.

If the body is unable to eliminate some of the mercury it is being poisoned with, the person ceases to cope. It is easy to say "go have the amalgams out", but Jinx has already explained to us here that the last amalgam removal he had devastated him so badly, that this is why he's this much worse. HE was flooded with it in my opinion, so what on earth is he supposed to do?

Most of us do not get help, we end up having to almost do something ourselves, as most health professionals argue permanently on what shuld be done, but nobody really agrees on anything. So much of this ends up being down to almost self experimentation because even the mercury experts cant get it straight.

I put my money mostly on Andrew Cutler for chelation, but even then some people have had to modify it to suit themselves and lower the dose etc. He thinks peopel should not chelate with amalgams, yet leaving them in a poisoned stupor to where amalgam removal cannot even be considered in their state, is not an option either. If you have some people who have improved from chelating with amalgams, they should also be listened to and if that offers some hope to Jinx that he might too find that could help him, why should he then not try this? NOthing else is helping the guy.

I dont' want to gamble with your health either Jinx, and maknig you worse at this point is unthinkable. So you can see it is very hard to know what to suggest to someone in this positon. But in your condition with no way to even get more amalgams out, I do not see much other options to try. IF this in anyway, does "something" for you, or gets you into some condition where you find you are finally able to remove the last remaining amalgams, it may be worth it. If however you feel things getting worse? then please stop.

But once again, as you are not under the guidance of a professional in this, you are listening to an amateur that is simply passing on suggestions, coming from an unqualified position. But as you can see, even the qualified are arguing and contradicting on the very same issues. We are all like piggies in the middle, taking chances and hoping we might hit the jackpot.

Sorry for the lengthy post, but I feel this is a very serious issue.