With the rise of creeping Sharia law and the standoff with the religious mad man in the Middle East.
Approaching Nukes!
This is an interesting take on the ten toes and other interpertations on the Scriptures from a man from the Middle East who has studied both the Koran and the Bible deeply.

One needs to check this site out and read it all!
Or print it all out if one can.
We know that the world is computer savy now and the technology exist's to fulfill prophecy on recording everybody on this planet.
But what we don't know is in who's hands besides the Antichrist of course this technology will fall into.
And then I read this take on the Mark Of The Beast.
One that is placed on the arms and heads of their followers and I read that in the Greek it could be translated as arm not just hand.
Does this image contain the mark of the beast?
A badge of submission.
Walid Shobat thinks so he thinks that this mark that John wrote down the writing looks alot like this in the Greek script.
He explains how it could say that.
That maybe that's what John saw/ meant as a warning to us.
And how all the prophecy fits.
Wow! Big Wow!

http://discerningthetimes.me/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Gods-War-on-Terror-Walid-Shoebat.pdf

Interesting read in this day and age.
A look at the Bible not just through western eyes but through an eastern eyes as well!

...And they that understand among the people shall instruct many."
Daniel 11:33
It seems like we are living in that day as..
There are many emerging prophetic people out there like Rabbi Jonathan Cahn Of "The Harbinger" the warning for America the U.S mostly.
About 9-11 meaning and the Tenth year we are in now and we do see things heating up around the world at this time.

And even Walid Shoebat in his knowledge in the study of the Koran and his intense study of the Bible and his warnings of the times to come in prophecy.
And even Irvin Baxter another prophectic teacher with his outlook and views on the endtimes.
All should be looked into and read.
Kamal Saleem the author of "The Blood Of Lambs" gives a unique look into the life he lead under Jihad and his former beliefs and perspective a very interesting prophectic person as well.
And in just reading and studying up on all of these views and the why's of them leads one into a deeper look into our faith and the motivation of the faith of others too.....
that we need to know about in this day and age and Daniel 11:33 ends with..
yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

Tribulations will come and that does not mean that God does not have the final victory at the end.
As in God's war on Terror as on God's war on them that are ruining destroying the earth.
There may come a time that it may look like all is lost to many but for those who have studied scripture.
The Blood of the Lambs will not be the end of it all.
The first blood of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world was Jesus/Yeshua!
There are many Pastor Youcef's out there right now in the world!
We must speak out know for them or forever hold your peace your voice in the world and your liberty!

I don't know this guy Walid Shoebat. Is he the guy that was on the 700 Club with Pat Robertson? From the looks on Pat's face, he didn't look very interested/convinced.

The comment: "Is Jesus Christ returning to earth to wage war against Islamic Nations who treat Jesus harshly?" That statement is totally UNBIBLICAL.

Jesus' next return to earth will be to wage war on the UNBELIEVERS and rapture His chosen elect (people), the Church, out of here.

Would you please give more Bible (Scripture) verses to back up these statements? There are a lot of false teachers in this world. If it's not biblical, I don't want to read it.

Have you read any of Marvin Rosenthal's information regarding the End Times? He is a very intelligent and well-informed Messianic Jew. Did you read his book, "The PRE-WRATH RAPTURE of the CHURCH?"
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Marvin J. Rosenthal is the executive director of Zion's Hope (a faith Mission), and for sixteen years he was the editor of one of evangelicalism's leading magazines, Israel My Glory. A much-in-demand speaker at biblical prophecy conferences throughout North America, Rosenthal's itinerary has taken him to such Bible conferences as America's Keswick, Sandy Cove, Word of Life, Moody's Keswick, and Muskoka, and to such schools as Dallas Theological Seminary, Master's Seminary, Moody Bible Institute, and Philadelphia College of Bible. He currently resides in Orlando, Florida.
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Kindly give us more information of Walid Shoebat's background. Thank you.

Hi Abigail, (((( Smiles ))))

Mr Shoebat was on the 700 club, Jewish Voice Ministries, It's Supernatural and other ministries as well on TV.
I have been reading his book and it's not: Is Jesus Christ returning to earth to wage war against Islamic Nations who treat Jesus harshly?" That statement is totally UNBIBLICAL.

It's about the countries written about in the Bible that God is coming against for attacking Israel and for the persecuting of Christians God's people are Islamic countries that are mentioned.
That's what he is writing about.
And about when the gathering back to Christ will be.
That is debatable as well and there will be tribulations.
Mr Shoebat is a former EX-Muslim terrorist that has studied the Koran and also has studied the Bible and saw it's truth and is now a Christian.
He is well versed in both.
Also Joel Richardson is the person he wrote the Book God's war on terror with.
His book is concerning Islam, Prophecy and the Bible.
That's his focus you need to read the book to get the total picture on it.
It's an interesting book for sure.

Oh plus, (((( Smiles ))))

Haven't read any of Marvin Rosenthal's information regarding the End Times but it would be wonderful if there was a pre-trib rapture instead of a mid- trib or post- trib being the hardest one of all to go through.
Different ministries have different views different interpretations on that subject of when it shall be.
But will look him up.
Thanks!

Hi Abigail,

Here's one by endtime ministries on the Rapture.
He doesn't believe it is pre-trib or in two Raptures.

http://www.endtime.com/the-rapture/

Some ministries do.
Plus just visited the ministry you posted will read it later and will watch the video on the other thread you posted.
Plus everybody should prepare especially if we may all be here to see it because it looks like there will be war because Iran will never stop their nuke program because they are bringing in the 12th iman.
That is too important to them to ever give up.

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=261804

Prepare in case we are all still here at that time.
If not, that would be grand!
I'd go for that!

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-Lynn,
The fact that this man, Mr. Shoebat is as you described below:

[Mr Shoebat is a former EX-Muslim terrorist that has studied the Koran and also has studied the Bible and saw it's truth and is now a Christian.]
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That is enough reason why I would not read his material. If you haven't noticed the Muslims are trying to take over America from the inside out. Do you recall the quote, "If America is ever destroyed it will not be from the ouside, it will be an inside job?" (not verbatim).

This is all heresy. I am not by an means attacking you.
I AM TOTOALLY AGAINST AN EX-TERRORIST, MUSLIM, IN THE USA, WRITING BOOKS ABOUT A COUNTRY HE TRIED TO DESTROY!

I am a student of the Bible. I will read the Bible, and the well-known long time Bible Teachers/Authors John MacArthur, Chuck Colson, Charles Stanley, and a few others.

"In the last days there will be a great falling away." Hello? Why aren't you quoting the Bible? I saw one quote of Daniel's prophecy. Anybody can twist words around to sound what they want people to believe.
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I do not recommend this man's material. You have a double-mind in this forum, Lynn, my friend. You are telling others what's WRONG WITH the MUSLIMS, and Now, here you want us to read Muslim materials? No Thank you.

The Christian Book stores are over-flowing with "MAN'S words", in Books and their own explanations. I prefer to "Trust in the Lord with all my heart and lean not to my own understanding, in all my ways (give Him the credit) and He will make my path straight." (Proverbs 3:5-6)

'Looks like this Walid Shobat is getting a "thumbs down", and being accused of propagandist for the Israel Country. READ On..

-Who is Walid Shoebat
Charles E. Carlson Sep 1, 2009

View other vigils: http://whtt.org/straitgate/index.php?id=14&news=1


Scottsdale Bible Church will open its 2500 seat facility for a “Keynote Speech" by Walid Shoebat, arranged by Chosen People Ministries. The church lists the event on its Calendar as “Day911 Commemorative Memorial Service.”
Walid Shoebat is in our experience, a trained businessman-propagandist for the Israeli government, much as John Hagee is. He openly and unapologetically promotes continued forced occupation of the Palestinian people in his speeches at schools and churches. His words are much like dedicated professional Israeli Zionist, including Avigdor Lieberman, who is about to be forced out of the Israeli government for extremism.
Chosen People Ministries describes Shoebat as a “born again Christian,” but nothing on Shoebat’s website even hints of professed Christianity, and if he is one, he did not learn the part that requires one to love his enemy as you love your brother. Instead we find obvious and unapologetic lies about his background and stretches on almost every subject he brings up, then more stretches in an effort to neutralize his critics. Christ Hedges and other writers who are pulling on the loose ends of Shoebat’s yarn ball, including Eileen Fleming and a bright blog called “Bartholomew.”
We find Shoebat’s own words best convict him.
Shoebat comments on his site: “When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out. The Israeli Arab Conflict is not about geography but about Jew hatred;
Does anyone seriously believe “land” is not the issue in Palestine when Israel admits it is taking more of it every day?
Another outrageous claim is comparing Palestinians to the Nazis of 70 years ago. “Europe and the rest of the tyrannical world have again sided with evil and have replaced the Nazis with there support of the phony Palestinian cause.”
Shoebat implies the Philistines occupied Israel, the reverse is the case since 1948. Only a well paid Israeli agent could bring himself to say otherwise. Others have challenged Shoebat’s ex-terrorist story thinking it made up from scratch.
Chris Hedges, former New York Times Mideast Bureau Chief, a deservedly respected Middle East expert writes of Shoebat in “War Against Tolerance:” “These self-described former Muslim terrorists (Shoebat and two clones) are regularly trotted out at Christian colleges—a few days ago they were at the Air Force Academy—to spew racist filth about Islam”
Further Hedges states: “Shoebat has written a book called “Why We Want to Kill You”(he) promises in his lectures to explain the numerous similarities between radical Muslims and the Nazis, how “Muslim terrorists” invaded America 30 years ago and how “perseverance, recruitment and hate” have fueled attacks by Muslims.”
Hedges continues, “These men (Shoebat and two named clones) are frauds, but this is not the point. They are part of a dark and frightening war by the Christian right against tolerance that, in the moment of another catastrophic terrorist attack on American soil, would make it acceptable to target and persecute all Muslims, including the some 6 million Muslims who live in the United States.” (1)
Even more interesting evidence that Shoebat lies is found in his strange insistence (on his website) that “Walid Shoebat” is a pseudonym to protect himself and family In fact we know it is he given name, having found someone form his local villages who know him there.
It appears that Shoebat would prefer that people like Fleming and Bartholomew do not go to his home town and talk to friends and relatives which would blow his “X-terrorist” story.
Shoebat claims in his story to be “righteous,” but if he has a faith it is not even mentioned in his violently anti-Arab website. It will be interesting to see if he makes a profession of Christianity at Scottsdale Bible Church to match his billing.
As Chris Hedges correctly wrote, Walid’s message engenders hatred against Muslims, even the nearly defenseless victims of occupation in Gaza and his native West Bank village of Beit Sahour near Bethlehem.
But our difference is not with Shoebat but with church’s leaders who, for whatever reason, allow Shoebat a forum to influence and confuse the lives of followers of Christ. It is not for us to rid the world of the racist evil of Zionists; it is instead our task to correct the leaders of Christian churches by exposing them to those who are being innocently and tragically influenced. “Christian Zionist” is the right word for any Church that allows Shoebat to speak in its halls.
Scottsdale Bible Church is expected to teach from Jesus’ words. Senior Pastor, Jamie Rasmussen is said to be new at Scottsdale Bible Church, which seems to historically avoid most political issue, with the exception if of its undertow teaching that political Israel is the fulfillment of Bible prophesy. It provides a religious smorgasbord, teaching about justice, peace and love, a measure of quality entertainment, an occasional “dish” of Middle East humanitarianism, and enough Scofield dispensationalism to support flashy, Zionist friendly tours to Israel, and worst of all Chosen People Ministries’ Israeli racist speaker. We have invited Pastor Rasmussen to meet with us.
Project Strait Gate will hold a quiet vigil and Day911 observance outside the church and all men of faith and conscience are invited to join us.

'Looks like this Walid Shobat is getting a "thumbs down", and being accused of propagandist for the Israel Country. READ On..



Shoebat comments on his site: “When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out. The Israeli Arab Conflict is not about geography but about Jew hatred.





Even more interesting evidence that Shoebat lies is found in his strange insistence (on his website) that “Walid Shoebat” is a pseudonym to protect himself and family In fact we know it is he given name, having found someone form his local villages who know him there.

Plus I disagree with this and it's not about being against tolerance and how much should one tolerate 9-11 bombings non tolerance of others religious freedom and speech?
What if they do want to kill us Iran say's they want to strike at us the big Satan.
Can we not speak out just tolerate it?



Walid is very outspoken there is no doubt he's changed.
Plus Mein Kampf, has become a bestseller in Turkey.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4361733.stm

a best seller in Middle Eastern bookstores probably in Iran too but in political correctness we didn't believe that Hitler would do what he said he was going to do too.
What about Iran do we believe what Mr. President,” Ahmadinejad say's he is going to do?
How about the Jihadist?
In the name of political correctness..
I can't stay silent.
I disagree with the views of those people who wrote what you posted but thats O.K..
We can disagree but that's O.K...
You don't have to agree with Walid Shobat but I do.
Information on their speeches and on TV posted in another thread so other's can view it and decide too.
Because I think what they have to say is important.
Thanks!

Because, they confess Jesus is Christ and came in the flesh they believe in the Cross the One Triune God and also they do not deny the Father and the Son..
1 John 2:22-23
So by definition they don't fit the Biblical description of what the Antichrist will be. Which will be Anti- Cross Anti- Father and Son and I can understand why in the past others may have seen it that way but it will be anybody wether Catholic or Protestant or any other religion that denys these things. It's about denying the Historical Christ.
So based on this definition it seems that Walid Shoebat may be right. And the Roman empire was a big empire and lots of those countries now are Muslim. And now other's are saying Europe may be Muslim by 2020 if not sooner so Roman Empire can still fit into prophecy.

The Roman Empire In North Africa - Part I History ChannelDZ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wycTxNjl4fo
Even Jack Van Impe has changed his mind on this with new facts and so have other ministries as well.

In The Middle East Catholic Churchs Are Being Burned and Worshippers Killed Because They Believe In The Cross!
I may not agree with everything they do in worship but don't believe they are the antichrist religion to come on earth.
Satan hates the Cross!