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I'm supposed to have a course of progesterone pills for 10 days from my doctor to bring on a period (which I haven't had now for 16 months) but I am a bit wary of taking them. So I bought some wild yam cream today which can only be used for up to 8-10 weeks, so I will see if that does anything. If not, then I will try the pills.

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Hi Demi,

May I ask why you don't want to take the Progesterone pills?

You could get a progesterone cream if you want to bypass your liver...... or if you want to go more natural then you could use Vitex and Black Cohosh......Vitex helps your body to produce it's own progesterone and the Black Cohosh helps to regulate the hormones.

I personally am not fond of Wild Yam because it's so high in estrogen....too much estrogen is bad.

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I don't blame you for not taking the progesterone pill from your Dr. as it is synthethic and I wouldn't be surprise if there are lots of other unhealthy things in it as well.

I use a natural progesterone cream (to balance my hormones) and so does one of my daughters who wasn't having periods. It took her a little while before she became regular, but now is.

There is a lot of information in Dr. John R. Lee's books-he has several-I read What your Dr. may not tell you about premenepause. He gives a list of several brands that he has checked for quality and content.

As far as I have nread and understand, you can use these as long as needed. It is very important these days (at least in the USA) to balance out the extra estrogens that we are exposed to as that is the cause for breast cancer and many other problems.

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I don't want to take the pills because I don't know what is in them and they have a list of possible side-effects etc.

I didn't realise there was estrogen in wild yam. I thought it was progesterone. I have too much estrogen as it is so need progesterone.

The doctor said I have two choices - the pill or 10 day course of progesterone pills.

I don't want to rely long term on progesterone from either the pill or a cream because I am concerned that they would act as an abortaficient. The doctor tells me that the 10 day course of progesterone is not a contraceptive.

I just don't know what to believe anymore. But I believe life begins at conception and I wouldn't want to take anything that would risk preventing implantation. I'm not married now (therefore not sexually active as I am religious) and may never be, but I'm trying to think in the long term if I don't get my periods back when my fillings are replaced. Doctors never understand this and always say "but if you're not sexually active, what does it matter? If you marry we can reassess things then". But I'd rather get a solution now.

Maybe the 10 day course of progesterone pills 3 times a year is the better option. That would only be a month of no sex each time, because I don't believe the doctor that the pills are not abortaficeint. Anything that forces out the lining of the womb must carry that risk. I realise this is not a concern to most people, but it is to me.

I think I will wait until the New Year and if I haven't had a period then, take the pills and get it over with. If I don't shed the lining, the doctor says I risk cancer of the uterus.

This mercury has so much to answer for!

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Hi Demi,

If those progesterone pills are synthetic, then I totally agree with Missy..... DO NOT take the synthetic....they are very dangerous, they block the receptors and nothing else can go into that receptor.

I use a progesterone cream and I am very happy with it.....my daughter who was having problems with little or no periods, decided to also use the cream and it has helped her a lot but she also is using Dr. Christopher's Adrenal Formula. Majority of women who are having high estrogen problems are actually Adrenal Exhausted. The adrenals drain the B-vits, low B-vits drain the progesterone.....this is a condenced and simple explanation but it's like a domino effect. And I believe it's very important to feed the body what it is lacking. If your body is producing enough progesterone, then it will naturally lower your estrogen. But you may also need to feed your adrenals.

If you don't want to use a cream, do a search on Vitex.....most women who can't get pregnant or they have miscarriages are low on progesterone.....so it's very important.....also, most women who have the Baby Blues are low on progesterone.

Progesterone is not a contraceptive....it will actually get you pregnant. That's why the "Pill" is a contraceptive because it's high in estrogen, which keeps the body from getting pregnant.

You don't have to take progesterone forever.....take it until you don't need it....and then wean yourself off. And if you take Vitex, don't take the cream, you don't want to double-dip. Also, don't take any progesterone for one week, when your period is or should be.

Raspberries would be much better then wild yam.

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The "mini pill" is progesterone only and acts as a contraceptive. It's also more likely to act as an abortaficient as it doesn't reliably stop ovulation. It's more likely to expel the lining of the womb which makes it difficult for zygote to implant. This is the pill my doctor wanted me to have and is morally unacceptable to me. However, I can understand if women choose it when there are health reasons involved.

If I could just get 2 periods a year, that would be enough for me. At the moment I don't get any. I will look up the vitex.

Maybe taking some b-vits complex would help.

I'm not going to take the pills, at least not at the moment, and just wait and see what happens. I just can't cope with all this at the moment.

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I have been taking a "natural" progesterone cream from Nature's Sunshine off and on (usually more off than on) since before I had my amalgams out. I used the cream pretty faithfully before amalgam removal to help with really bad PMS mood swings and cramps. However, after I got my amalgams out, I found that the mood swings and cramps got much better all on their own. Now, I use the cream only a few times a week, or more regularly if I've had a lot of caffeine (from tea) or sugar. I've found that if I don't have any caffeine or sugar for 3-4 weeks, I'll have virtually no cramps and no mood swings.

The cream I used contains no "synthetic" progesterone, plus other herbs that help with PMS-related symptoms like bloating, breast tenderness, etc. It's called Pro-G-Yam-500 Cream.

By the way, research has confirmed that there are no actual hormones present in wild yam. This is a big misunderstanding. Wild yam actually contains a substance (a saponin) called diosgenin, which can be used to create progesterone.

I haven't found any scientific studies to confirm that wild yam has "estrogenic" effects. In fact, I've found the opposite. One safety study published in the International Journal of Toxicology reported no estrogenic effects for wild yam extracts concentrated with up to 3.5% diosgenin content. Another study, published in the International Journal of Clinical Chemistry, actually measured anti-estrogenic activity from wild yam root.

Other herbs that help support female glandular function and may help to regulate menstruation and/or even promote the re-emergence of a menstrual cycle are:

Black Cohosh
False Unicorn
Wild Yam & Chaste Tree (also known as Vitex)

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Not getting your monthly period is a classic sign of severe malnutrition. And it is not all caused by mercury, either. There are women with some mercury fillings who are regular as clockwork, and have no PMS or cramps or anything else. I was one of them. (I have undergone the Change so that's why I say "was".)

I do understand that toxicity (of any kind) and deficiency go hand-in-hand, that they cannot be unscrambled. We have to work on both. However, one state usually predominates, and it sounds to me like you need to nourish, nourish, nourish, until your toes curl. Then the mercury part will be easier to deal with.


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I have had test after test after test and I have all the right nutrients. Doctors can find no reason why I don't get periods. They therefore say I must have PCOS and prescribed the progesterone pills, even though I have no cysts and am not overweight. Amenorrhea is a symptom of mercury toxicity, but they don't test for mercury toxicity.

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Besides, there are women who are chain smokers and drink alcohol who get their periods. I believe it's the mercury that has done this as it's an endoctrine disruptor and has even caused endiometriosis. There are people who eat a lot more unhealthy than me who get periods. I didn't get my periods untiil I was going on 15 and I ate meat at that time. It was actually when I became a vegetarian that I got my period the most regular, although I always had gap. Then I got a root filling and within 18 months my periods almost stopped completely.

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Malnutrition can be a problem but I know my daughter ate a lot of good food and she was having the same problem. The common denominators are mercury and stress.

I can hear it in Demi's writtings.....she is very stressed.....over stressed adrenals will knock everything out-of-whack and when you put mercury in the mix.

Demi ....may I suggest you do a search on adrenal exhaution. I personally like Phosphatidyl Serine to reduce stress.....you can do a search on it also.

Elaine



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I don't want to disagree but wild yam is considered a phytoestrogen.....it needs a component to help the body change it into a progesterone.

[The wild Mexican yam contains a phytoestrogen that is closely related to human progesterone, but requires a simple molecular manipulation to become identical. That is why yam creams alone are not effective; their phytoestrogens must be transformed into progesterone...]

[Wild Yam, also known as Colic Root, Barbasco, it contains a powerful ¡°estrogen-like¡± phytochemicals. Wild Yam can nourish female reproductive system and benefits the urinary, digestion, nervous and respiratory system. Wild Yam can also ease various painful conditions such as arthritis and rheumatism. ]
http://www.ihealthtree.com/wild-yam.html

You can give wild yam to pregnant women to help with nausea and a pregnant woman cannot take progesterone.

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I am very stressed. But I have OCD, PCOS and 30 other health problems that no one can give me a reason for. Everyone with OCD is stressed 24/7. It's a serious anxiety disorder. THe only thing doctors can do is give drugs. And on top of dealing with that, dealing with mercury toxicity is stressful in itself, not to mention dealing with life in general. It all gets too much sometimes.

I think I have had chronic mercury poisioning for 20 years as I never had an anxiety disorder until I got a filling, but I don't know if anyone really believes me.

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Demi,

Your dr. probably doesn't believe you because of his/her lack of knowledge in the matter, but WE do. I believe your problem is the mercury which is causing the adrenal problem which in turn results in the missed periods. Your Dr. is right about needing to have regular periods (which means your body is doing what it is suppose to be doing) as too much estrogen does cause cancer.

It was mentioned about the B vitamins for your adrenals and I know that B6 is a precursor for the production of progesterone (as well as zinc). The test they do show you are not deficient in anything (blood serum levels only show blood levels not what is going on in the rest of your body), but it doesn't show what is being used by your body. As you said, the mercury blocks many things.

I think they are feeding you balony about the mini-pill. Progesterone is the hormone that helps you become and stay pregnant. "The pill" is designed to prevent pregnancy. The mini-pill has lower amounts of estrogen as compared to the other "pill" but it is still estrogen.
They are wanting to p[ut you on that because that is their #1 choice to give women when they are having female problems. Again, they aren't looking to fix what is wrong, just to mask a symptom. I would certainly research on the internet and find out exactly what all is in it for myself.

There are good sites and books by these people that explain so much on this. Ann Louise Gittleman (nutritionist), Dr. John R. Lee. I checked these out of the library first and then ordered them from amazon.com, but you may be able to get what you need from the internet.

I have learned- don't make any decision until you research everything for yourself. I have made several mistakes in my treatment the last few years listening to Dr./dentist and wanting to hurry and find the answer.

Dr. Huggins talks about in his book, how there is a thought that the uterous is sort of a storage place for mercury or something to that effect. (I haven't read it in a while) It obviously is being affected by the mercury.

Ann Louise Gittleman in her book- Living Beauty Detox- says that progesterone should be kept in a 200:1 ratio with estrogen. With all the chemicals in our environment that have estrogenic effects, it is no wonder that women are out of balance and have so many problems.

I know I probably sound like a mad woman, but I hate to see you further stress out your body with a drug that will have to be detoxed by your already stressed liver and the extra estrogen will just put you over the edge. My sister's Dr. wanted to put her on the pill as well and it took me much convincing for her to give natural progesterone cream a try before doing that. She has been very pleased with the results and has abandoned the idea of the pill or surgery!

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Thanks, Missy. I do believe the mercury is at least contributing to my problems. I think I am very sensitive to it. But it's very hard to know what is a genuine problem and what is caused by the toxin.

I will look up progesterone cream. The vitex sounds like a possibility from what I have read. I don't believe in the pill and wouldn't go on it, which is why they suggested the progesterone pills (I have seen several doctors pver the past few years who say the same thing).

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Regarding the mini-pill. Everything I have read says it contains only synthetic progesterone, which is how it differs from the combined oral contraceptive pill which contains both estrogen and progesterone. The combined pill is more effective at preventing pregnancy, but all oral contraceptives carry the risk of preventing implantation because that is the third mechanism of action - makes the womb inhospitable to the zygote.

Doctors don't generally tell women or couples this because they do not consider the zygote to be a life. Medically there is no pregnancy until implantation, but scientifically life begins at conception and many of us believe that preventing implantation is wrong. The pills should all be marketed as abortaficients aswell as contraceptives because no one will ever know which mechanism is at work.

This is my concern about using any progesterone. Obviously now I am single it doesn't matter, but in the long term, it concerns me. I've heard that the low-carb diet helps with PCOS, and I did have success with it when I went on it a couple of years ago for a month, but it's almost impossible to do as a vegan.

But I guess I should just take things one step at a time and see if my cycle improves when I've had my fillings replaced etc.

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i just had a hormon test done but i havent found a dr yet to help me i am a 27 yd male my level were hight in testerone and high in progestrone.and my dhea was high and my estrodal was low an i dont know what that means and havent been able to have anyone tell me anything

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Interesting!

I have some supplements consisting of Black Cohosh, Dong Quai and Chaseberry (Vitex).

And I also take Oil of Evening Primrose capsules. I took these for the first time this month- and my PMS was much more level this time. In fact, my actual period this month, is back to it's normal 3 day period with the least amount of symptoms. :-)




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Demi, I agree with you. From what I have read, the pill - no matter what type, does not allow a fertilized egg to implant and I would never take it, as I believe life begins at conception. The Bible teaches this.
Miselaineous, when you caution against synthetic, do you mean ANY synthetic hormone? I take synthetic thyroid hormone. I have been told that the natural is better, but that would involve changing drs., which I should probably do, I guess. The natural comes from animals though, and I am nervous about Mad Cow. We get all our meat (sorry Demi) from organic, free-range sources so, this is not a worry, but where do they get natural thyroid hormone from - and is it a threat to health in any way? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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No worries, Dallas, I respect other peoples decision to eat meat, just like I hope they respect mine to not <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I wish doctors/scientists would develop a medication that would help restore a woman's natural cycle i.e. help women like me to ovulate. It doesn't make sense to me to further mess up a woman's cycle by offering the pill to suppress ovulation but flush out the lining.

I don't know what the progesterone pills do exactly, but I think they force out the lining of the womb. They are not classed as a contraceptive, though, so I'm really not sure what all that is about.

I'm going to look further into herbal remedies that help a woman to get pregnant. That might be a better solution in the long term, I don't know. I'm hoping my cycle will improve once I have the fillings replaced.

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Hi Dallas,

I was referring to natural progesterone because the synthetic is extremely bad and it's hard to get it out of the body. Natural progesterone is complimentary to the human body and it's not hard to find.

My mother has taken Syntroid for almost 40 years....tee hee....so she won't change either. I had no idea where the natural came from <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />, so I had to look for it......it comes from the glands of pigs.
[[The natural desiccated thyroid drug, Armour Thyroid, which is made from the gland of pigs, and contains two forms of thyroid hormone, T4 and T3. Synthroid, however, is a synthetic drug that contains the synthetically manufacturered form of only one hormone, T4.]]

Dallas, I know how hard it is to get the thyroid leveled.....I would never tell someone to switch. I doubt if it's a threat to health.....I do know a few people who started taking it and they liked it better but another person (after a couple of weeks) went back to her Syntroid.

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Dallas, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

You said (on another thread) you went to a dentist that replaced your amalgams with Diamond Lite and Diamond Crown.....Would you please tell me who you went to?

I am desperately looking for a dentist that uses Diamond Lite or Diamond Crown.

And if your dentist has a website, I would really appreciate that also.

Thank you for any help you can give me,
Elaine

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miselaineous, I went to Groton Dental Wellness Spa at 495 Main Street, in Groton, Massachusetts. I saw Dr. Evans. His wife also is a dentist there. He doesn't normally use Diamondlite or Diamondcrown, but I had a compatability test ( $245 but worth it) and was compatible with it. So, because I asked, he said I could have it - he just didn't think it was as durable as the stuff he wanted to use. Their website is www.grotondentalwellness.com <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Hi Dallas,

Gee whiz... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />..I thought you were from Dallas....tee hee!

I've called a lot of dentist in the Dallas area and it gets real confusing.....I was hopeing that you had some personal experience with someone.

I don't mind driving but Massachusetts is a little far for me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

I am sooo happy that you've gotten your fillings out......and I really appreciate your help!

Thank you!
Elaine <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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miselaineous, maybe I can get my dentist to move down your way <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
Well I guess anyone from this forum who lives in my area now knows where they can go.
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I started taking Agnus Castus today and will see if I get any result from it. Will report back.

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Demi, what is Agnus Castus???? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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A form of Vitex, Chaseberry.

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I've read that it helps alleviate symptoms of PCOS and helps control cravings for carbs. Will be interesting to see if it works! I haven't had a period since the summer of 2004.

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Do you get it at the health food store?

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I'm not sure where you would get it in America, but here it's very easy to get. I got it at Boots (chain store selling cosmetics, soaps, vitamins, baby food etc) for £7.99 for 30. Not cheap, but I really don't want the progesterone pills unless I have too.

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I just did more reading on it, and its though to lower estrogen levels, increase progesterone levels and do something to LH and prolactin levels.

My LH levels were higher than FSH, and I believe they are supposed to be the same. Higher LH is a sign of PCOS. and/or insulin resistance.

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I woke up last night with a mild hot flash, which can happen when there is a drop of estrogen, but I'm thinking it must be a coincidence as I don't think one pill would have an effect?

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I woke up last night with a mild hot flash, which can happen when there is a drop of estrogen, but I'm thinking it must be a coincidence as I don't think one pill would have an effect?

For an overall perspective on female hormones and hot flashes, www.sensiblehealth.com may be helpful for you.


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Demi,

You mentioned that you had a hot flash or night sweat, and that this can happen when your estrogen levels drop. I think you have been given false information about that. Everything that I have researched about the night sweats and hot flashes along with your other female problems, are connected to low progesterone and HIGH estrogen levels. I was still havinga few night sweats after starting on magnesium and then started on progesterone cream and that took care of those.
There was a discussion earlier in the thread about the function of progesterone. It doesn't end a pregnancy, but enables your body to become pregnant and to carry out the pregnancy. I found a site page that is very informative and explains this better than I can. Hope you can get to it-

superb-progesterone-cream.com/html/what_your_doctor_may_not_tell_7.html

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Missy's right, Demi. If your liver, in particular, is functioning normally, it knows how to balance out the hormones automatically. And proper liver function depends on strong kidneys, acc. to Trad. Chinese Medicine. So, to make a long story short, you have to help these major organs first.



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The mini-pill is progesterone only and is abortafcient i.e. one of the ways it works is to prevent implantation. You can search it up on the net. It contains synthetic progesterone and no estrogen. It's the combined oral contraceptive that contains both estrogen and progesterone.

The doctor tells me that the 10 day course of progesterone pills she wants me to have don't prevent pregnancy, but I am highly dubious because

1: She does not consider pregnancy to start until implantation, where as I believe it starts at conception (even though there is no actual pregnancy until implantation, there is a life from conception)

2. If the pills force the lining of the womb out, it could prevent implantation.

I don't know about natural progesterone and how it differs from synthetic. But definitely the mini-pill is progesterone only.

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PS the ob-gyn said that the progesterone pills wouldn't cause ovulation, they would just expel the lining of the womb, so it wouldn't be a "real" period.

I got tested on my liver, she said it was fine. She says I have PCOS. I think it is mercury messing with my endoctrine system. But, as diabetes is strong in my family, I could have insulin resistance.

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This is an example of a ite that talks about the mini pill
http://www.menstruation.com.au/fertility/hormonalcontraception.html

"The Mini Pill is a progesterone only pill. It works by thickening cervical mucus (making it hostile to sperm) and changing the uterine or womb lining so that fertilised eggs cannot implant. The mini pill does not stop ovulation."

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I don't know what the difference is between the progesterone-mini-pill and the 10 day course she wanted me to have. First she wanted me to have the mini-pill, but I didn't want it. Maybe the 10 day course is a higher dosage. I can't remember the name of the pills soemthing similar to dygesterone.

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Okay, maybe this explains it?

What is the difference between progesterone and progestogens (synthetic progesterones)?

Progesterone has the identical chemical structure to the substance made in a woman's body by the ovarian corpus luteum (gland formed after an egg is ovulated each month). Actually the progesterone is now synthetically made but it behaves as best we know, just like the body's natural progesterone once it is absorbed into the blood stream. This is to be distinguished from synthetic progesterone-like chemicals called progestogens which bind to the body's progesterone receptors and function for the most part, just like progesterone. Because they are chemically different than natural progesterone, they sometimes have side effects or actions that are different than progesterone.

Progestogens were originally developed because they were capable of being absorbed into the blood when ingested in pill form, whereas progesterone itself was not orally absorbed. Recently, however, it has been found that micronization of progesterone (making very tiny crystals of the progesterone) enhances absorption from the gastrointestinal tract. Thus micronized progesterone is now sometimes being used for menopausal hormone replacement therapy instead of progestogens. Birth control pills still have progestogens as the active progesterone-like component.

In contrast to some of the progestogens such as medroxyprogesterone acetate (Provera®, Cycrin®) natural progesterone does not seem to suppress good cholesterol (HDL), has no effect on blood pressure or mood, and shows less of a tendency to cause increased male-hormone-like effects such as facial hair growth. Each synthetic progestogen may have a somewhat different side-effect profile so it is not easy to generalize.

From: http://www.wdxcyber.com/nmood11.htm

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From the same site, this sounds like what my ob-gyn wants me to have:

How is progesterone used to regulate abnormal bleeding?

There are two ways that progesterone can be effective to regulate abnormal menses or bleeding. If given continuously such as in birth control pills or with postmenopausal hormone replacement therapy, progesterone will prevent menstrual sloughing as long as there is a small amount of estrogen present. If birth control pills are taken continuously so that a woman skips the week of the "placebo" or inactive pills and immediately begins a new pill pack, then she will not have any menses at all. This is the pill regimen used for endometriosis to suppress endometrial growth and thus inactivate endometriosis. If progesterone doses are too small without any estrogen around, such as with the "mini" birth control pill, breakthrough bleeding often occurs because estrogen is needed to stabilize the blood vessels in the base layer of the endometrium. Such bleeding would be called atrophic bleeding since the tissue is very bare down to its basal layer.

The second way in which progesterone is used to control abnormal menstrual bleeding is to induce a menses by giving a bolus of progesterone and then discontinuing it. This could be by a shot of progesterone in oil or by taking 5-10 days of progesterone or progestogen by pill. The rule-of-thumb has been that if a woman is not pregnant and estrogen had previously stimulated even a small amount of endometrial growth, then a menstrual-like bleed would result within about 10 days of stopping the progesterone. Unfortunately, this regimen only works 70-95% of the time with the shots being less effective and the progestogens (Provera®, dydrogesterone) being 90-95% successful. Common doses used to induce withdrawal bleeding would be:
medroxyprogesterone acetate (Provera®) 5 mg twice a day or 10 mg once a day for 5 days
micronized progesterone 200 - 300 mg for 10 days
progesterone in oil shots intramuscularly, 100-200 mg for one dose
oral contraceptive pills (most monophasic pills with all the same dose of estrogen and progestogen), one pill each day for 4-5 days (for example using pills out of a pill pack or using the emergency contraceptive regimen but taking one pill each day for 4 days instead of all at once.
Sometimes if the bleeding has been quite heavy or prolonged, the progestogens will be given longer than 5-10 days just to allow a woman's recovery from the constant bleeding and blood loss.


The dydrogesterone I guess is what I am supposed to have. I don't eant either that or the mini-pill. I looked up the dydrogesterone before and I didn't like what I read.

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PS the ob-gyn said that the progesterone pills wouldn't cause ovulation, they would just expel the lining of the womb, so it wouldn't be a "real" period.

I got tested on my liver, she said it was fine. She says I have PCOS. I think it is mercury messing with my endoctrine system. But, as diabetes is strong in my family, I could have insulin resistance.

I wonder if your liver is "fine". Liver tests of the type you get from standard-issue doctors can diagnose only those liver conditions where the cells are ruptured. Congestion or stagnation of the liver is not measurable by standard western medicine. If you would go to Julia Chang's site, she could explain this. She talks in depth about hormone imbalance and PCOS, too, to some degree, and their relationship to liver stagnation.


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So now you're saying it's not the mercury but my liver? Or are you saying that mercury poisoning causing this liver problem which causes the hormone problem?

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"The uterus is a collection center for mercury. Hal Huggins reported that more than 90% of the imbalances, created by sex hormone disturbances were corrected within a few weeks of amalgam removal. His patients noted differences in fertility, less pain during periods, relief from endometriosis, and a trend toward optimization of the days of menstrual flow. PMS is one of the most common symptoms to change after amalgam removal. Amenorrhea, or the complete absence of a menstrual flow, responds to amalgam removal. This is usually in women in their twenties or thirties. Even in women who have gone through a sort of premature menopause in their early forties, the periods may start up again for a couple of years. This has resulted in surprise pregnancies. Women should avoid pregnancy for at least six months after amalgam removal."

I still think it makes sense to get the treatment for toxicity before exploring any other possible problems.

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Well, I am not a doctor, but putting together everything I have read, I would hazard a guess that mercury toxicity has affected your major organs, esp. the liver( (which is the boss of everything), and your symptoms are the result.

Of course you have to get detoxified - first things first. I am not familiar with your story from Square One, so I was wondering when you are going to go for detox. But some people are so weakened that they need to find tonics to give them a boost while detoxifying.

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I have to get my amalgams replaced first. I haven't been well enough to have anything done, but I'm hoping to start soon. It will probably be at least the autumn before I have them all replaced.

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I have been ill this weekend with nausea and diarhea (know I spelt that wrong) and think it could be the Agnus Castus as a possible side effect is stomach upset. I wonder if the chasteberry is incompatible with mercury toxicity? My physical symptoms have also felt worse.

I think I am going to have to take the synthetic hormone, even though I am not happy about it, because it's only for 10 days and I'm not finding anything else to work.


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