i just joined yesterday. i am only 36 but the past 4 years i have gone from a healthy athlete to completely the opposite spectrum. i have 16 amalgams and just took te initial step to find out how much it would cost to remove them safely. the dental insurance i have is not the best, so i may only get 2 out tis year. the holistic dentist estimated it at 14 grand. my husband is a pastor and well on his salary tat is impossible. i have 3 girls, i ave alsways been a stay at home mom...i find myself between a rock and a hard place. i am sooooo sick. but yet i need to go back to work to pay for this outrages ordeal. thyroid and adrenals, food allergies,hypoglycemia, weight gain, anxiety , depression, memory loss, just a very spacey off balance feeling all of te time. so many other symptoms... i have so many questions. but i will tackle one at a time on this forum. thank you so much for this place ... i am working with a holistic doctor (all out of pocket) with supplements and taking one day at a time. i am not sure how i will pay for this , i have been praying and asking God to make a way. i believe He will. when i went to this holistic dentist he showed me this device that measures the "exposure"or something like that ...he gasped when it touched the first tooth...and said he had never seen this high of a reading. i will only be able to take out one at a time. my first question is...is ther e a way to prove it where "medical" insurance would cover it too? this next question is will some of the neurological damage be permanent?
i must add that i know there is a corrolation btwn my teeth ad my health.2 years ago i had to have a root canal. my dentist argued the whole time ...i wanted him to take out the filling and replace it. i did not know you had to be safe about removal.. 2 weeks later i called my holistic doctor and told her my hands were burning like they were on fire. she did not know i had been to the dentist. she would have warned me to not do what i did. i was listening to her and she askedme if i had had any dental work done. i said yep. she said that the extraction pulled all of my b12 out of my body and since then i have beenon high doses of b12 including shots 2 times a week. she told me my body was to weak to take the fillings out, she just released me to start having them extracted. it is the issue. i know.!!! it is a daunting task but i will see to the end of it. through this journey i will be asking lots of questions . i have also taken a 24 yhour urine test that came back with high levels of mercury and lead and arsenic. any help and advice is so appreciated. thanks

Have you done a parasite cleanse? A one month long parasite cleanse is inexpensive and may greatly improve the way you feel.
A typical parasite cleanse involves taking 3 herbs(wormwood, black walnut green hull extract, and cloves, plus perhaps some other herbs) for a month. Many here have seen evidence of parasites while doing a cleanse, while others just felt better after doing a cleanse. The 3 herbs I mentioned are also very antifungal. Wormwood is one of the best remedies for fighting candida. Wormwood need to be taken at a relatively low dosage and for no more than a month at a time, as too much can be toxic. I am in the middle of doing a parasite cleanse with Kroeger Wormwood Combination. It takes two bottles to do a one month cleanse. It is only around $5.50 a bottle for it on the net. Another parasite cleanse that is popular is Humaworm, available directly from Humaworm.com. I think that is $30 for a one month supply.

Some supplements that might help are magnesium malate, licorice root, cayenne pepper, garlic, turmeric, and horseradish. of course you should also take plenty of vitamin c, b vitamins, enough vitamin a, vitamin D, and calcium.

Hi there,

Can you try another holistic/biologic dentist? That is ALOT of money for amalgam removal. I know it's never cheap, but 14 grand???? Did you mean 1,400 or 14,000? I would definitely ask around and get estimates from other dentists if you can.

I found that treating candida yeast was helpful for me as I was dealing with amalgam toxicity. So you might want to google up about candida and the misery of symptoms it can cause. Mercury toxicity is a cause of candida, and the two combined can really make you very toxic, very miserable and difficult to get on with life. If you treat the candida, you may find, after going through some die off/detox, that you start feeling less toxic, healthier/stronger and better able to cope with the mercury.

I would look at going on a candida diet, which will help reduce excess yeast, but also, it is healthy. Some use some antifungal treatment too to kill off the candida, that depends how bad it is and whether a person feels they need to take the next step. However, it can be very strong/harsh and may release too many toxins into the system at once. So if one is going to take this step, they should be careful (probably take drainage remedies as supports for the liver/kidneys etc). Also, if the yeast happen to contain metals? Which apparently they can, in killing them off with antifungals potentially releases those metals into the system.

So diet is usually a safer option, at least as a starter. Because yeast simply slowly weaken and die off.

As JK98 said, treating parasites too! All these things tend to come onboard a compromised immune system.

Supplement support can help too, depending on how you respond to them. They can be of help - particularly antioxidant/liver support like vitamin C, vitamin E, selenium, milk thistle, etc. Magnesium/zinc/B complex can also be of help and getting enough essential fatty acids in the diet from mercury free fish oils. Protein and good fats like eggs/meat/butter is also recommended and good natural celtic sea salt. You can add this salt to your meals in place of table salt and even add it to a drink of warm water with lemon juice. Table salt is chemically altered/bleached, minerals are removed, and apparently contains aluminium). Natural salt is very healthy and good for your glandular system etc, for many functions in your body. Some may find the addition of kelp helpful for extra minerals and essential element like iodine (which is reduced by mercury toxicity). Mercury competes with essential minerals/elements like iodine/selenium etc. So replacing them can help with many functions in the body like the thyroid/adrenal glands.

If you do not want to use kelp, you can obtain iodine in tablets/drops instead. But just use carefully and not overdo it and test reactions. I found iodine of great help for me with energy and body temp.

Eat more natural raw foods like fruits and vegetables. Non gluten grain maybe ok. I say non gluten because people with mercury/candida problems can often be gluten intolerant and if they are? The gluten in the diet can make such a person very sick/poisoned. Removing sugar/wheat/gluten/yeast made a tremendous difference to me, I would try it.

I would not just prepare financially for amalgam removal, but I would prepare your body physically, as this will help you cope better with the removal and prepare your body for detoxing the stored mercury once the amalgams are removed.

A biologic dentist I know (and a growing amount of them) are now aware of how important it is to prepare their mercury toxic patients with diet/supplement support and detox, before/during/after amalgam removal.

PS - root canals can be a source of toxicity.
http://www.integrativedentalmedicine.com/RCTtox.html
http://www.integrativedentalmedicine.com/RCTtoxstudies.html

There is apparently now a better way of doing them with different materials (sealants):
http://www.integrativedentalmedicine.com/ocalexic.html

However, I cannot vouch for how safe any rootcanal would be. But it looks like there are healthier alternatives.

Unfortunately toxins in the mouth aren't limited to the mouth. Amalgam, root canals, cavitations, metals/braces, incompatible dental materials etc can all affect the entire body. I guess it depends on a person's immunity, overall toxic load, sensitivies, and where their threshold is as to how much they can handle and for how long.

Welcome Trisha.



Sounds almost identical to what I went though. If you're interested, check this out: http://herballure.com/mms

Many people begin suffering with mercury poisoning from amalgam fillings in their 30's.



I had 9 removed for less than $3000 in 2000. My business partner had 20 removed for about $4500 at the same time.

I expect it to be more now, but I would shop around.



There may be inexpensive herbs that can help with those problems. I have posted in-depth information about my similar symptoms and solutions I used here:

http://urlbam.com/ha/M003W

I hope it helps.



One possible way to have insurance cover it (usually) is if your dentists finds that the filling is cracked or otherwise a threat to your tooth.



The damage that mercury does is partly permanent, but the body does have a remarkable ability to heal itself, often beyond what doctors will predict.

This is why mercury must be removed from all aspects of life and the perpetrators of modern-day mercury usage should be held accountable.

I have concluded that mercury poisoning is a silent epidemic: The single largest fundamental cause of disease in the world.



Just be careful with future "challenge" tests as they can stir up a lot of mercury and cause horrible symptoms.


If you want to mention a few of your symptoms at a time, I'll be happy to help you find alternative supplements - herbs, vitamins - that can help.

I hope we can help.

thanks everyone for your quick response. i have to say that i have been for the past 2 years probably following most of this and not knowing that it would benefit mercury toxicity. my doctor has me taking detox baths..with baking soday and epson salt. 2-3 times a week. i have been on a vit c protocol since then too. when i first started with my doctor she had me take to bowel tolerance then maintain 75% of the flush for 2 weeks then do it again..those were some tough days. it would take 21 tsp to flush and when one tsp contains 5,000 pretty potent stuff. i was so sick when i first met her. now it takes about 5 to flush and sometimes even 4 so..i know that is good news. but i also take bone and mineral(4)...a multivitamin(4 a day), detox complete used to take 8 a day but it would make me nauseated so now i tolerate 2, i take b12 shots 20,000 per week..folic acid daily, tyro htp plus(2)superquercetin forte(3),dhea(20)samE (1),calmatrine (3)pregnolone (2),d.i.m.(2), max Dophilus(2),e plex, zinc, vitamin d, glycine to sleep before bed, progesterone(compound pharmacy), adrenal support (2 in the am)
i guess i am on the right track. right? i understand NOWwhat my doctor is trying to do. she has been wanting me to do a parasite test but it was like a LOT Of money(about 300)...that is why i have not done it yet..but i guess that that is very important. hmmm. thanks. okay, my next question is sill i need this much supplementation when the extraction occurs...meaning will i still be spending 450 a month just on suppplements???? have any of you noticed the NEED to have all these decreasing?
i have to mention that i have been gluten free for a bout 2 years, sugar,yeast free as well. i do have candida issues and i watch that too. so you all were right on the MONEY. it is amazing. thanks
thanks for replying with some helpful herb ideas....although i feel like i have NO money left to do what i have to do just to survive. it is truely a shame. thanks again. i keep saying i want to write a book when i get through all of this. : )

i jsut read your post russ, we must have been writing at the same time. so the anxiety levels and panic feeling perhaps are permanent? i know what you said about body being able to heal. are there more people whos stories are miracles? i read yesterday some peoples stories on here and jsut cried my eyeballs out. it is such an injustice and very sad. my parents were missionaries in brasil, i was born and raised there i got most of my fillings there. i say that to say, i did not get it here in the states if i had i would be having a face to face conversation with that person/....my dentist name in brasil was dr. killingggggggggg.hmmm so appropriate. hey>?
bex and russ, 6 of them are crowns, which i will be glad to do without the crowns. i just want them out. maybe i should just pull them? i am awfully young to have dentures and actually quite vain at that...that might be a bit hard to swallow. but if it will save my life...i guess the dentures would cost a fortune too though and i would rather have my real teeth....doyou think that if i have "pictures" literally, digital photos that a dentist could look at it and give me an estimate like that? i had to pay 275 for my initial visit. that could have gone to a tooth. : (i can't afford all these estimates.

[quote=Bex]Hi there,

Can you try another holistic/biologic dentist? That is ALOT of money for amalgam removal. I know it's never cheap, but 14 grand???? Did you mean 1,400 or 14,000? I would definitely ask around and get estimates from other dentists if you can.


Bex...14thousand....a lot of money. but i will ask around.

[quote=Bex]Hi there,

Can you try another holistic/biologic dentist? That is ALOT of money for amalgam removal. I know it's never cheap, but 14 grand???? Did you mean 1,400 or 14,000? I would definitely ask around and get estimates from other dentists if you can.

14 thousand...i wish it was 1,400 : )

"she has been wanting me to do a parasite test but it was like a LOT Of money(about 300)"

Parasite tests are a big waste of money. Parasites release eggs only sporadically, and many types of parasites often aren't detected in standard tests. A series of several tests are needed to have any meaning at all, and even then they are quite innacurate. Instead of testing, a much better idea is to do a one month parasite cleanse and see if you see parasites being shed, or if you feel improved after doing it. If you felt it was beneficial, you could do another cleanse in 4 to 6 months. The nice thing about the 3 herb cleanses(wormwood, black walnut green hull extract, and cloves- perhaps in combination with other herbs) is that they are very antifungal and will help get rid of candida as well. Some websites claim that wormwood is the most potent antifungal. The dosage of wormwood needs to be watched carefully, and after taking it for a month, on should stop using it for at least 3 months before starting it again.
a one month parasite cleanse is only around $11 to $40.

Wow, you are doing alot already! This sounds ok, as long as you feel ok on it? For me at the moment, i cannot tolerate any supplements AT ALL. So I have to adjust. This is the first time in a long time that I have been supplement free. I'm not sure what's happened, but I am finding that everytime I take supplements, whatever is in my gut seems to be feeding on them. I assume it is parasitic! Or yeast has flared up. Either or both.

I am at the moment doing a parasite cleanse. I haven't been tested, but most of us have them to some degree anyway and it's good to do them about twice a year or so anyway for good measure.

Do you use natural celtic sea salt and kelp at all? These are good for the glandular system and other functions in the body. The only issue is possible contaminated with the kelp, but if you get a good clean source of it, it should be "ok". Plus it helps neutralise radiation and is good for toxicity (metals).



That's great! Your candida issues will likely improve after these sources of ongoing toxicity are removed from your mouth and as you detox your body of them. Until then, it maybe an ongoing battle to help your body keep things in better check. If the toxicity is bad enough, it can be very very difficult as I can attest to.

As for the supplements, I could not afford to take all that. I took basic ones that I felt did make some difference - namely the antioxidants as I mentioned (vitamin C, E, selenium). Andy Cutler (mercury expert) recommends the antixidants, B complex, magnesium, zinc, milk thistle etc as the basics for mercury toxic people. But there are others too. Depends on what a person finds helps them.

Some may feel they require much more than that, but see how much you can make up in your diet (natural celtic salt as mentioned has got natural minerals and so does kelp, with iodine, which is necessary, since mercury blocks/reduces it).

And right now, as I mentioned, I cannot take any supplements, so I'm trying to get as much as I can out of foods. Nuts/seeds/vegetables/natural yoghurt/meats/eggs/liver/lemons/tomatoes as fruit (since I have candida, other sweeter fruits pose issues), fats/oils like butter/olive oil and celtic sea salt with kelp.

Do you feel you need all those supplements? Have you tried just doing the diet and seeing which supplements make a difference by adding them one by one? Sometimes that can be helpful, because they cost a heck of a lot of money. HOpefully if they are somehow holding you together, after all this, you maybe able to reduce or go off them once you get your toxicity down further.

As for parasite testing? I haven't done that because I know how much all those tests cost, so for good measure, I am doing a strong parasite cleanse (which you can get from a healthfood shop or online). It's wise to do them anyway, because we can carry them around and I don't know if tests show everything anyway.

Cleanses can be most helpful - liver/bowel/kidneys etc. I used to do a "Heels" detox kit cleanse and it was great! Powerful though, but very effective. But again not cheap!

The baths with the epsom salts and baking soda sound very good. I used to do those and they helped me a lot! I also found I made alot of difference by walking on my treadmill for about half an hour daily or having a day off inbetween if I can't manage it. Plus doing some strengthening exercises. I cannot do much, but this helps get things moving and toxins start to shift and come out easier.

That is a heck of alot of money Trisha!!! Wow!!! I hope you can locate another biologic dentist who is more reasonable than that. That is crippling! Perhaps we can help you locate one in your area? You can do searches on the net for lists of dentists.

I would get the crowns removed yes. Amalgam can also be underneath them. I can understand not wishing to have false teeth!

I went about things by emailing dentists and kept to the ones that actually took the time to respond and give me an idea of how much it would cost. The ones that didn't bother or refused to give me any idea, and instead wanted me in so they could charge me for a consultation, I didn't have anymore to do with.

I either phoned or emailed. Out of the ones I phoned, I was able to locate the most reasonable cost dentist, who knew what he was doing (had a good reputation for placing ceramics). And that's the one I went to.

i guess i did not make it clear up there...i am blaming the mercury lol. i don't know how you do the quote thing. i tried and it did not work..but in response to your post bex, right above,,,um i have 16 fillings 6 of which would need crowns. i have NO Crowns at the moment...he said the fillings are so big that they would need crwons...but i had a root canal and i never did put on a crown bc i knew i would be getting rid of this tooth after i had those crazy symptoms.
wow i am on overload...so much to soak in. i think i will consider doing a parasite cleanse. m brother ended up in the er about a yr ago when he did a cleanse so i take them very seriously. i havve no clue what he did. he has fillings too. but not nearly as sick as i am.
i hope to decrease the need for all these supplements. but right at this moment i have anxiety issues when i know i am close to running out. seriously, it makes me nervous. i can't tell you how sick i was just never want to go back there~ but still have 50%more to go. i am still so fatigued...but maybe i won't need so much after this removal process.
i would love help locating a good safe doctor in the area. i am all ears.

Ohhhhh, ok. Sorry, it's probably me, rather than you or mercury lol.

You may wish to consider getting an onlay (porcelain) when it comes to large fillings, as this eliminates the need for a crown. I got that information from a good holistic dentist in Australia when I emailed him from seeing his website. Just make sure that there is no "metal base" on the porcelain. One good one is "cerec". You just need a dentist who uses it and has experience placing the stuff.

But again, you need to find a "cerec dentist" to do that. Let me know what area you are in, and I'll do some searches for you on biologic dentists regarding your amalgam removals and if I'm lucky, might find one that also uses cerec who maybe able to advise you on the larger/deeper amalgams and this maybe an option for you.

Don't pressure yourself. What you're doing already is excellent in my opinion. The information given on here looks alot, but broken down, mainly it is about preparation with good diet and supplement support, which you're already doing anyway. Aside from some cleanses which might help if there is a parasite problem.

I'm so sorry to hear about your brother!!! Wow. I guess these things can happen, particularly if someone has a major sensitivity to an ingredient, or the cleanse is too potent for them to cope with. I've had some experiences that have had a real back lash because my body couldn't handle all the toxins that were released at once.

Though I have never had this with a parasite cleanse yet (Cross fingers).

Well, if the supplements help and the thought of running out causes you anxiety and some distress, then keep taking them. As long as this keeps you going!

Anyway, let me know what area you live in and I"ll do a search for you and hopefully come up with more options!

"i think i will consider doing a parasite cleanse. m brother ended up in the er about a yr ago when he did a cleanse so i take them very seriously."

That is why I suggest using a widely used parasite cleanse like Kroeger Wormwood Combination, or Humaworm, and stick to the dosage instructions. some cleases suggest just a two week cleanse, while others like Humaworm stress the importance of doing a full month, in order to eradicate any parasites, and their stages, and eggs.

http://www.drclark.net/en/cleanses_clean-ups/parasite_cleanses.php

Your bro couldn't handle all the toxins I am guesssing? Constipation is usually key there, your colon gets so backed up that you are not eliminating right. I would also think about nurishing the kdneys and liver before any cleanse, make sure they are working right if not you will get bad die offs and like me at times feel you are going to die! I had heart palputations and my limbs were tingly when I tried to clenase fans, I had to sit back and eat a little beter and work on other things before I even started a thing again! It was that bad.

I am not cleansing now nor plan to soon, I will work on cleansing my bowels (Lower Bowel Balance formula) and get some Kidney herbs and work on the liver as well, clean water a must aso. These feelins like your bro had scared me off of cleanses for a while, even a simpie Candida herb would make me beel horrible and wake up with heart palputations. My buddy on Youtube nailed it and said work on elimination herbs and you are constipated like so many are!


I thought because I went to the bathroom or had some diarreah I was not constipated, come to find out thats also a symptoms.

I hope I can help you out some along with others in here, peace.


Sean.

Russ do you mean we cannot completely heal because some damage can not be undone?

I think that we can get rid of most or all of our symptoms, but some of the damage cannot be undone.

Russ
I agree with you that we cannot completely reverse our symptoms.
But I do think that after almost 6 years of detoxing from over 40 years of many amalgam fillings that I have reduced most of the symptoms by approx. 80%.
I continue to do my approx. 30 supps a day.
I probably still get minor reactions 3 times a month.
Usually have trouble relating them to any food, activity or supplement.
One of my friends, an MD , probably summed it up best soon after I had all my teeth redone and started to detox. The mercury, he said, has penetrated most molecules in your body. He said it was an ionic absorption. so I figure if it went in that way it has to come out the same way.
But each day I know I have less burden than the day before.
Russ, as you have often said --this is a maraton not a sprint--.

I hope these comments from a happy recoverer help some of you who are less down the path.

Al

Alcan, thanks for the encouragement...it makes sense. it is nice to know all of you feel better now after the process. thanks for all of you who have given me advice. i am ready to make this change. i wish i could just blink my eyes and it be done. oh, how i wish! one day at a time.