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ok so after chelating and detoxing for about 5 months i did a 24hr retest. My mercury levels went from 13 on the scale which is considered very elevated, to .9 which is below the norm. But my lead which was within the normal range the first time is now elevated. Does anyone know what this means?? I know this test isnt 100% accurate but its a good indication that chelation worked somewhat and my mercury is down alot. Has anyone had similar results?
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I'm wondering if lead is now being excreted more heavily since there is less mercury to block excretion of other metals? I have heard that mercury can cause multiple metal toxicity due to the fact it can cause the body to hold onto them.
Just a thought. Unless there is some ongoing unknown exposure to lead.
I'd imagine though that the levels would fluctuate. Depending on how much is being excreted at the time. But hopefully, over time, you would see a reduction with lead as you have with mercury. The higher levels again may simply show it's coming out of you at a greater rate.
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yea i was thinking maybe since my mercury levels are lower now that im excreting lead now. I guess im detoxing well then. I dont think im being exposed to enough lead to cause high levels but who knows. If i take the test again in a few months I wonder what other metals might show up on the elevated side. I dont feel too much better even tho my mercury levels are lower. But that may be because I have so many other things wrong with me since I've been toxic for so long
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Which test? That home test that is all over the net for urine testing?
Interresting.
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no the 24 hr urine test after DMSA and EDTA showed high lead. but i have tried the home test too
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"no the 24 hr urine test after DMSA and EDTA showed high lead. but i have tried the home test too"
A urine test during or soon after chelation will just show whether you are excreting the heavy metals, and not give a clue as to how much might be in your body. Showing that you are excreting lead is a good thing and not a bad thing. Long term lead exposure stores lead in the bones. It takes a long time for bone to turn over, so getting lead out of the bones is a very long process.
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ok thanks JK98. that makes sense..i just dont have any clue where i got high lead from..i had fillings so I know where the mercury came from but this is surprising to me..I guess this stuff is just all over and we're being exposed to it without even knowing
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True, lead and Copper right? I know the water contains limes too and calcium which deposit in the body. This is why I bought a water distiller and usually only drink that water now, so much cleaner and better, if you go back to the old water you used to drink you taste the metals in it etc.
In Sanskrit, tulsi means literally "the incomparable one" and has been revered since ancient times. Tulsi, the holy basil, is said to have grown at the site of Christ’s crucifixion and is associated with St. Basil’s feast.
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thanks for the information JK98 and Sean. my name is Sean too btw lol I know sometimes I can smell the chlorine in the tap water..anyone else experience this?? its crazy how many toxins we're are exposed to
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thanks for the information JK98 and Sean. my name is Sean too btw lol I know sometimes I can smell the chlorine in the tap water..anyone else experience this?? its crazy how many toxins we're are exposed to If I do drink that water now (Which I can't stand now) I can taste all kinds of crap in it! It is from a filter too on the fridge, which doesn't make clean water afterall it seems. I am going to clean my machine and get some deer park and use it to see whats in it, some experiments I will do with the water distiller. Distilled is the best tasting though by far, man the junk at the bottem after you use it makes you say I was drinking this all these years? YUCK. Sean.
In Sanskrit, tulsi means literally "the incomparable one" and has been revered since ancient times. Tulsi, the holy basil, is said to have grown at the site of Christ’s crucifixion and is associated with St. Basil’s feast.
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Sean, I've heard distilled water is actually not that good for you. It maybe cleaner, more pure water, but it is depleted of the necessary minerals. It maybe ok for short term detox, but I'd be careful long term. Apparently it also leaches out minerals in food that you're cooking with (if you're using that water). I submit this article for your interest/discernment and see what you make of it: http://www.mercola.com/article/water/distilled_water.htmEarly Death Comes From Drinking Distilled Water
During nearly 19 years of clinical practice I have had the opportunity to observe the health effects of drinking different types of water. Most of you would agree that drinking unfiltered tap water could be hazardous to your health because of things like
parasites
chlorine
fluoride
dioxins
Many health fanatics, however, are often surprised to hear me say that drinking distilled water on a regular, daily basis is potentially dangerous.
Paavo Airola wrote about the dangers of distilled water in the 1970's when it first became a fad with the health food crowd.
Distillation is the process in which water is boiled, evaporated and the vapour condensed. Distilled water is free of dissolved minerals and, because of this, has the special property of being able to actively absorb toxic substances from the body and eliminate them. Studies validate the benefits of drinking distilled water when one is seeking to cleanse or detoxify the system for short periods of time (a few weeks at a time).
Fasting using distilled water can be dangerous because of the rapid loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium, chloride) and trace minerals like magnesium, deficiencies of which can cause heart beat irregularities and high blood pressure. Cooking foods in distilled water pulls the minerals out of them and lowers their nutrient value.
Distilled water is an active absorber and when it comes into contact with air, it absorbs carbon dioxide, making it acidic. The more distilled water a person drinks, the higher the body acidity becomes.
According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, "Distilled water, being essentially mineral-free, is very aggressive, in that it tends to dissolve substances with which it is in contact. Notably, carbon dioxide from the air is rapidly absorbed, making the water acidic and even more aggressive. Many metals are dissolved by distilled water."
The most toxic commercial beverages that people consume (i.e. cola beverages and other soft drinks) are made from distilled water. Studies have consistently shown that heavy consumers of soft drinks (with or without sugar) spill huge amounts of calcium, magnesium and other trace minerals into the urine.
The more mineral loss, the greater the risk for osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, hypothyroidism, coronary artery disease, high blood pressure and a long list of degenerative diseases generally associated with premature aging.
A growing number of health care practitioners and scientists from around the world have been advocating the theory that aging and disease is the direct result of the accumulation of acid waste products in the body.
There is a great deal of scientific documentation that supports such a theory. A poor diet may be partially to blame for the waste accumulation.
These and other junk foods can cause the body to become more acidic:
meats
sugar
alcohol
fried foods
soft drinks
processed foods
white flour products
dairy products
Stress, whether mental or physical can lead to acid deposits in the body.
There is a correlation between the consumption of soft water (distilled water is extremely soft) and the incidence of cardiovascular disease. Cells, tissues and organs do not like to be dipped in acid and will do anything to buffer this acidity including the removal of minerals from the skeleton and the manufacture of bicarbonate in the blood.
The longer one drinks distilled water, the more likely the development of mineral deficiencies and an acid state.
I have done well over 3000 mineral evaluations using a combination of blood, urine and hair tests in my practice. Almost without exception, people who consume distilled water exclusively, eventually develop multiple mineral deficiencies.
Those who supplement their distilled water intake with trace minerals are not as deficient but still not as adequately nourished in minerals as their non-distilled water drinking counterparts even after several years of mineral supplementation.
The ideal water for the human body should be slightly alkaline and this requires the presence of minerals like
calcium
magnesium
Distilled water tends to be acidic and can only be recommended as a way of drawing poisons out of the body. Once this is accomplished, the continued drinking of distilled water is a bad idea.
Water filtered through reverse osmosis tends to be neutral and is acceptable for regular use provided minerals are supplemented.
Water filtered through a solid charcoal filter is slightly alkaline. Ozonation of this charcoal filtered water is ideal for daily drinking. Longevity is associated with the regular consumption of hard water (high in minerals). Disease and early death is more likely to be seen with the long term drinking of distilled water.
Avoid it except in special circumstances.
Zoltan P. Rona MD MSc
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References
Airola, P. 1974. How To Get Well. Phoenix, AZ: Health Plus Publishers.
Baroody, Dr. Theodore A. Jr. Alkalinize or Die. California:Portal Books, 1995.
Haas, Elson M. Staying Healthy with Nutrition. The Complete Guide to Diet & Nutritional Medicine. Berkeley, California:Celestial Arts, 1992; p. 22.
Rona, Zoltan P. and Martin, Jeanne Marie. Return to the Joy of Health, Vancouver: Alive Books, 1995.
Rona, Zoltan P. Childhood Illness and The Allergy Connection. Rocklin, California:Prima Books, 1996.
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Sean, I've heard distilled water is actually not that good for you. It maybe cleaner, more pure water, but it is depleted of the necessary minerals. It maybe ok for short term detox, but I'd be careful long term. Apparently it also leaches out minerals in food that you're cooking with (if you're using that water). I submit this article for your interest/discernment and see what you make of it: http://www.mercola.com/article/water/distilled_water.htmEarly Death Comes From Drinking Distilled Water
During nearly 19 years of clinical practice I have had the opportunity to observe the health effects of drinking different types of water. Most of you would agree that drinking unfiltered tap water could be hazardous to your health because of things like
parasites
chlorine
fluoride
dioxins
Many health fanatics, however, are often surprised to hear me say that drinking distilled water on a regular, daily basis is potentially dangerous.
Paavo Airola wrote about the dangers of distilled water in the 1970's when it first became a fad with the health food crowd.
Distillation is the process in which water is boiled, evaporated and the vapour condensed. Distilled water is free of dissolved minerals and, because of this, has the special property of being able to actively absorb toxic substances from the body and eliminate them. Studies validate the benefits of drinking distilled water when one is seeking to cleanse or detoxify the system for short periods of time (a few weeks at a time).
Fasting using distilled water can be dangerous because of the rapid loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium, chloride) and trace minerals like magnesium, deficiencies of which can cause heart beat irregularities and high blood pressure. Cooking foods in distilled water pulls the minerals out of them and lowers their nutrient value.
Distilled water is an active absorber and when it comes into contact with air, it absorbs carbon dioxide, making it acidic. The more distilled water a person drinks, the higher the body acidity becomes.
According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, "Distilled water, being essentially mineral-free, is very aggressive, in that it tends to dissolve substances with which it is in contact. Notably, carbon dioxide from the air is rapidly absorbed, making the water acidic and even more aggressive. Many metals are dissolved by distilled water."
The most toxic commercial beverages that people consume (i.e. cola beverages and other soft drinks) are made from distilled water. Studies have consistently shown that heavy consumers of soft drinks (with or without sugar) spill huge amounts of calcium, magnesium and other trace minerals into the urine.
The more mineral loss, the greater the risk for osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, hypothyroidism, coronary artery disease, high blood pressure and a long list of degenerative diseases generally associated with premature aging.
A growing number of health care practitioners and scientists from around the world have been advocating the theory that aging and disease is the direct result of the accumulation of acid waste products in the body.
There is a great deal of scientific documentation that supports such a theory. A poor diet may be partially to blame for the waste accumulation.
These and other junk foods can cause the body to become more acidic:
meats
sugar
alcohol
fried foods
soft drinks
processed foods
white flour products
dairy products
Stress, whether mental or physical can lead to acid deposits in the body.
There is a correlation between the consumption of soft water (distilled water is extremely soft) and the incidence of cardiovascular disease. Cells, tissues and organs do not like to be dipped in acid and will do anything to buffer this acidity including the removal of minerals from the skeleton and the manufacture of bicarbonate in the blood.
The longer one drinks distilled water, the more likely the development of mineral deficiencies and an acid state.
I have done well over 3000 mineral evaluations using a combination of blood, urine and hair tests in my practice. Almost without exception, people who consume distilled water exclusively, eventually develop multiple mineral deficiencies.
Those who supplement their distilled water intake with trace minerals are not as deficient but still not as adequately nourished in minerals as their non-distilled water drinking counterparts even after several years of mineral supplementation.
The ideal water for the human body should be slightly alkaline and this requires the presence of minerals like
calcium
magnesium
Distilled water tends to be acidic and can only be recommended as a way of drawing poisons out of the body. Once this is accomplished, the continued drinking of distilled water is a bad idea.
Water filtered through reverse osmosis tends to be neutral and is acceptable for regular use provided minerals are supplemented.
Water filtered through a solid charcoal filter is slightly alkaline. Ozonation of this charcoal filtered water is ideal for daily drinking. Longevity is associated with the regular consumption of hard water (high in minerals). Disease and early death is more likely to be seen with the long term drinking of distilled water.
Avoid it except in special circumstances.
Zoltan P. Rona MD MSc
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References
Airola, P. 1974. How To Get Well. Phoenix, AZ: Health Plus Publishers.
Baroody, Dr. Theodore A. Jr. Alkalinize or Die. California:Portal Books, 1995.
Haas, Elson M. Staying Healthy with Nutrition. The Complete Guide to Diet & Nutritional Medicine. Berkeley, California:Celestial Arts, 1992; p. 22.
Rona, Zoltan P. and Martin, Jeanne Marie. Return to the Joy of Health, Vancouver: Alive Books, 1995.
Rona, Zoltan P. Childhood Illness and The Allergy Connection. Rocklin, California:Prima Books, 1996. Bex if you say so from one thing you read!! If you eat fruits or take Molasses at the same damn time how do you lose minerals? I would rather drink that then the trash out there with chemicals in it, add what you to mineralize it, but it's better than that trash you drink everyday. How much water does the water you drink contain anyways? Add Sea Salt or Fruits to it or Brown Rice, read up on the before you dismiss it!!!!!
In Sanskrit, tulsi means literally "the incomparable one" and has been revered since ancient times. Tulsi, the holy basil, is said to have grown at the site of Christ’s crucifixion and is associated with St. Basil’s feast.
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I swear people out there are so into what they read and not with logic alot of times! If you drink distilled water with Lemon in it or blackstrap molasses after or herbs hwo the hell do you lose minerals I will ask? Drink that trash with calcium and LIME in it and say you are safe, yeah I can see that there lol, okay drink water because it is mineralized! Better yet why not add some Lemon or Molasses or brown RICE to your drink and then keep it moving as they are FULL OF MINERALS and the clean water will help alot too with those! Bex sorry the internet and posts sometimes are a joke! Seek what heals not what you read, peace.
In Sanskrit, tulsi means literally "the incomparable one" and has been revered since ancient times. Tulsi, the holy basil, is said to have grown at the site of Christ’s crucifixion and is associated with St. Basil’s feast.
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http://www.energiseforlife.com/distilled-water-questions.phpRead this too before you speak on what some told you or you read!!!!!!! Bex step out of the box sometimes! I like you alot but you believe what you read alot and let it turn your thoughts into this or that and that kills your recovery IMO.
In Sanskrit, tulsi means literally "the incomparable one" and has been revered since ancient times. Tulsi, the holy basil, is said to have grown at the site of Christ’s crucifixion and is associated with St. Basil’s feast.
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This is not the only and first thing I've read on distilled water. I have read the benefits prior to finding out the possible risks.
I may have presented one article, but from a pretty reputable website "Dr Mercola" who definitely steps outside the box. Not any old site I happened to come by! I did that out of concern/uncertainty for possible risks attached.
I do not believe everything I read ok? Give me a little more credit. And had I not "stepped out of the box", I'd still be visiting mainstream doctors and on antidepressants and on a toxic typical diet or worse case scenario, dead.
Usually I'll do more investigating before I'll become further convinced, but so often find there are plenty of contrary answers, even from so-called experts, so that does not make it easy. For me it's come down to personal experience and testimonies from others, further reading etc.
Thanks for the article. But remember, you got this on the net too!
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Bex.. I'm sure Sean didn't mean to insult you, He's a good guy, and you're a good girl. It's only that.. there is soooo much misinformation on the net.. and this stuff qualified for suspicion.. like what they say about milk on curezone... and red meat... etc... (Red meat ain't bad, it the purines, get rid of purines.... eat halal or korsher!) see.... But you all know that ofcourse... As you say Bex.. Even experts like Mercola can have a little load of b.s with his elsewise so pure baggage... It's the same with... Dr. Howind... etc... 80% correct, 20% misinformation... (in my mind) The same with mercury experts.... "Try HMD, get well in an instant", they speak the truth about mercury, but not the rest... Cutler.... well we'we all been down that road before.... no need... Cutler more right than the rest of experts... maybe so... probably so... however... not nessecarily all correct.. ofcourse... ....... However.. Sean has a point in re-introducing minerals into the pure water by adding mineralized veggies to it.... etc.... Get the veggies "chems" instead of the waterplants chems in the water..... about Mercola.. i know... A good site.. but not all correct in my mind... sadly... same can be said about curezone... sadly... very much good info there too... the best in my mind on the net.... maybe.... About the box, Bex... Yeah... ofcourse you are enlightened! And ofcourse it's hard to choose and to scrap info... we all know.. For me it's come down to personal experience and testimonies from others, further reading etc. Same with me... and Sean too i belive... and the rest... I can see how you got dissapointed Bex, but... And i can see how Sean reacted to "mis-information" that contradicts logic... I can also see the caution you wanted Sean and others to take with destilled water because of the uncertainty of whats safe and whats not (version of the story). You just cared for others's "possible" safety Bex.... and thats the most Godly and humane think a persone can do! However... As Sean says... he is not so much scared no more by the "scare mongering misinformation" floating around the net, scaring people away from good stuff. He wanna risk testing what his logic dictates must be sound based on what he know and what computes to him... and thats fine... same for all of us... Our logic is based on what we know prior to computing it! And we all know diffrent stuff on diffrent levels... He.. i don't even know why i stepped in.... I guess i didn't want there to be a war between you... As i like the both of you! Someone's open, is another one's box..... hehehe..... Distilled water's binding properties sounds very much like those with bentonite clay.... Ion pump (sucking).... Ionized bindings... Heck... there is so much scares about good stuff... We don't know what to belive... Or how to compute logic (not beliving, but computing)... Yeahyeah... to end this... Im content critic.. not source critic.... Mercola is a good source, but not all his content seems right... same with Cutler, same with Huggins, same with CureZone.... Same with EVERYTHING.... It's bits and pieces spread around for us to figure out the "whole" picture by..... individually.... sad but true.. That's how... Sunshine got well... if i remember correct.. That is ofcourse how we all get better (and or) well, or try as we might... Ofcourse yoo too Bex, and Sean are content critics... not blind source critics like the rest of the sheeple we all know in our real lives around us... But.... I don't know... this water thing had a little caution scare on me too.... but i know it may possibly be "a snake guarding the foxhole with a goldpot hidden behind the snake, inside".. Are they saying that we get most our minerals from our water in that article? yes... what about greens?.. they don't mention... why......  I'm sceptical too this article my self... both sides.... Even thought it sounds very much like scare tactics to me. Hmm.. the water's surface tention and electrical field is something to consider, altering that... changeing the metals and minerals in it... changing it's ionic properties... hmm... can be both good and bad... Who knows whats right.... all i know as most, is that water is ment to be mineralized.... that is what they base the theory presented above on... But... the fact that the water is contaminated..... they don't so much mention.... atleast not the dangers of contaminated water.... but they are quick to say, don't drink too clean water... it's too empty on nourishment for you.... and it will acidify you too.... then please tell me how.... how does that acidifying process from distilled water work... Nahh.. i don't know... I only know that i have questioned good sources before too, and continue to do.. I give you credit.. the both of you!  will you give me credit? atleast some... arrrr... i talk to much..... but its usually good stuff.... Who knows whats right.... Who knows if God is the devil, and the devil is God, or if God is God, and the devil is the devil... Can't be 100.00000000% sure, never can be with anything... Only can place a bet and hope its the right one... Does God someplaces in the bible sound like an evil psychopath? like satan himself? yeah.... so are christians infact going to hell when they belive they are going to heaven... who knows... but from the sound of it some placeing in the bible... it is atleast a possibility.... "Could God create a rock so heavy he couldn't lift it?" yes.. and he did.... (maybe).. created satan.. satan won... and rewrote history with him as god... atleast its a logic possibility from how evil God sounds in the bible from time to time... Point is.. we can't really be SURE of ANYTHING.... Thats the sad f***ing truth... 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Btw.. back to the topic of this thread... Yes.. i have read something like... Mercury has affinity first, then lead, then copper etc... not sure if i remember the sequence correctly... but.... Yes... if mercury drops.. then lead will be prioritized... it's how molecules attract to each others... This is why when chemically chelating one should replennish one's mineral base when chelating... EDTA.. e.g... DMSA... etc.... has such a binding affinity sequence... don't remember a 100% which seq for each of them.... but there is a sequence... Is that an answer to this thread?! I belive it is.. Cheers!
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However.. there can still be mercury left in the body.... other and not so immediate places not so close to the detox organs..
So it may possibly shift back to mercury again later... it may...
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I don't know.. i don't meassure anything.. maybe i should be, however i don't.. One can get too fixated on number too.. possibly... like this supplement has 20 of that... 6000 of that.. etc... I only do stuff.. eat stuff.. and a while afterwards i see how i react, better or worse... and i stick with what betters me, and avoid what worsens me... ofcourse.. I know it is good to know.... not detox in the blind as i and some others do... i would prefer to know my tox / mineral values myself... but..... I do this by the gut feeling... and "freehand"... as they say in music... i play without notation (scores)... Works for me.. could be better by knowing and taking action based on the meassurements.... but.... I use my 7th sense for meassuring how much i detox and when... not nessecarily what i detox.... and in what sequence.... but i AM aware of how it all may work... and in what sequence things MAY come out.... However... the best is ofcourse not driving in the blind, taking meassurements instead and acting upon them... However.. i have no such MD to consult... I'm on my own... some people are lucky to have access to normal and honest doctors... I only know that i'm getting better, and how.... but not nessecarily in correct quantum physics detail....  Cheers!
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thanks Ole..appreciate the response. I think its a good thing that my mercury levels are down from the first test. Guess I will have to retest in a few months to see what else shows up. Thanks again
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This is not the only and first thing I've read on distilled water. I have read the benefits prior to finding out the possible risks.
I may have presented one article, but from a pretty reputable website "Dr Mercola" who definitely steps outside the box. Not any old site I happened to come by! I did that out of concern/uncertainty for possible risks attached.
I do not believe everything I read ok? Give me a little more credit. And had I not "stepped out of the box", I'd still be visiting mainstream doctors and on antidepressants and on a toxic typical diet or worse case scenario, dead.
Usually I'll do more investigating before I'll become further convinced, but so often find there are plenty of contrary answers, even from so-called experts, so that does not make it easy. For me it's come down to personal experience and testimonies from others, further reading etc.
Thanks for the article. But remember, you got this on the net too!
Bex I love you! But if you are putting fruits and then molasses in your water how can you be mineral dificient? Thats all I am saying there! If you get enough minerals in foods then distilled should be fine! Thats all I meant! I respect you and you are a friend to me in here. I am here to help you out too! Mercola is right alot yes, but he is also advertising things to sell alot too, think about that there! He is half truths and half money! He makes alot off his columns. I have drank that stuff for 5 weeks now and only good has come fromn it. I get my minerals with it as far as fruits and herbs and I am doing well! I am just saying distilled is the cleanest and it is as far as water goes. Peace and love girl, only the best to you and me and others. Sean.
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It's only that.. there is soooo much misinformation on the net.. There most certainly is!
It's the same with... Dr. Howind... etc... 80% correct, 20% misinformation... (in my mind)
If you mean Dr Kent Hovind, such a ratio is quite imaginary. Im content critic.. not source critic.... Mercola is a good source, but not all his content seems right... same with Cutler, same with Huggins, same with CureZone.... Same with EVERYTHING.... Ah, good old you-can't-knowism... In the set of all things which might potentially be known, is there not a subset of things that are difficult to determine? Is there not a set of things that are quite easily determined? Is there any reason to confuse the two subsets? It is invalid to extrapolate from "some things are difficult to figure out" to "nothing can be figured out". It's bits and pieces spread around for us to figure out the "whole" picture by..... individually.... sad but true..
That's how... Sunshine got well... if i remember correct..
That is ofcourse how we all get better (and or) well, or try as we might...
Ofcourse yoo too Bex, and Sean are content critics... not blind source critics like the rest of the sheeple we all know in our real lives around us... Hard to say what is meant by "content critics". Disliking a conclusion, would that count? Who knows whats right.... Who knows if God is the devil, and the devil is God, or if God is God, and the devil is the devil... Everyone. Well, everyone who cares knows. Can't be 100.00000000% sure, never can be with anything... Only can place a bet and hope its the right one... Your you-can't-knowism is self defeating. How could you know what you just said is true, if nothing can be known? Supposing there was a method to establish your premise, what would prevent that very same method from being applied to other premises?
Does God someplaces in the bible sound like an evil psychopath?
No, but you do in more than one place. See what I mean? Who but an evil psychopath would desire to mislead anyone so, jeopardizing (you imagine) their state for all eternity? Who else? "Could God create a rock so heavy he couldn't lift it?" This childish crown-jewel-of-scofferdom is well ignored by many a believer. It has no potential to fool anyone who isn't desperate to be fooled in the first place. However, I have chosen not to ignore it. http://orbisvitae.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=45433#Post45433yes.. and he did.... (maybe).. You mean you don't know? Oh, well of course! created satan.. satan won... and rewrote history with him as god... According to... ? atleast its a logic possibility What? It makes no sense whatsoever outside the evil psychopath community, anyhow. Do you assert as fact everything you believe to be a logical possibility? Do you really believe simply wishing something to be so makes it a logical possibility? I have the opportunity here to prove this combination is incorrect merely by existing. Then again, so does most of reality. from how evil God sounds in the bible from time to time... Misleading people is evil. Slander is evil.
Point is.. we can't really be SURE of ANYTHING....
We can be sure we've just read the words of an illogical you-can't-knowist. Thats the sad f***ing truth... Sad would be anyone being fooled by by such nonsense.
That's the challange! (THE challange)
What? To convince oneself one doesn't know anything? Nobody's ever managed it, and anyone who contemplates "THE challenge" can see it's sheer futility. What sane person would even undertake it in the first place? What does it promise, even if one should achieve the goal? That this pursuit is disingenuous is easy to see. Surest way to stop knowing is pretty obvious - unless there really is a God, and the knowing won't stop. That's the rub, isn't it? In order to stop knowing, one needs to know it's safe to stop, and not many scoffers (some - yes, more than any other religion or worldview) have enough faith in their disbelief. But even for those who do (assuming for the sake of making the point that they're correct) just what do they gain?
Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth"We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution." - Judge Jones Kitzmiller case http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm"To Compel A Man To Furnish Funds For The Propagation Of Ideas He Disbelieves And Abhors Is Sinful And Tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson
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CTD... you have many points, but i don't like you calling me an evil psychopath.
My goal is not to bevilder people... btw.. there are many religions and many views, each one is fighting each others...
I have infact nothing to gain but to share my views to see what others think about them and if others has thought the same.... i see now that i have preached in the wrong church...
I must say, CTD... i admire your crystal clear mind, i'm having a hard time to follow your well built sentences, bear in mind im not a native english speaker, however... you certainly know what you are talking about... however.... there ARE diffrent views on life... who's to say whats right and whats wrong.... to say one knows it all is arrogant.. specially with religion concerned...
I liked what you illuminated about the cant knowism...
However.. man.... I am a gnostic, i'm just not agreeing on everything in YOUR.... or should i rather say.. THE gospel or doctrine that you follow or are convinced is THE true and right one.... Ok... you think i spread mis-info.... what if i thought you did the same.... who's to say who's right or wrong.. see the paradox? i guess not...
Thats the problem i have with fundamentalists....
But. ok.. i will keep my religion to my self.... or should i.. just because some people disagree... remember... i belive in God, i belive in Jesus too, i love Jesus... i'm just saying that a book is a book afterall... Best way to know God is personal.
What i write.. is my interpretation of God.... no harm and sheeple misleading intended.... i just use my voice as you use yours... if you dont like it, then strike me down as most other pious christians has done through history to hedonistic persons...
why can't people just get along... and respect each others... is that so very hard to do?
I say.. Live and let live... don't just bash someone for having a "slight" diffrent version of things....
Misleading.. thats your view... now be a good soul and respect mine, liking my views is not required of you, vice versa.. disprooving what i say is your right, and plight to your doctrine.... however... naah...
i tired of this... this can lead to no good, but the same ancient never ending religios war....
finale... I belive in God.... only diffrently than you.... now be kind and atleast respect that..
And take back the name calling you just did against me!
Or else.. you are just prooving that you as a pious christian is as DIRTY as you proclaim me to be!
Beat that!
Amen!
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I respect your views... i even admire some of your deep thinking... why cant you just respect people of diffrent oppinions... there is an universal truth.. God.. but how each person define God, is unique, and individual....
Can't you just swallow that.. it would make the world such a better place if people just respected each others's views and stopped fighting over such a thing...
I guess im preacing on deaf ears here... proove me wrong man... be polite... say sorry for calling me an evil psychopath, or loose face!
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Please let's keep on the subject from now on.
Let's keep this area for helping people with mercury/amalgam etc.
Let's not make comments against others or their beliefs please. Don't like Mercola, don't agree with Cutler - no problem. Personal religious beliefs - let's save that for other forum areas.
And no more swearing acronyms please. It's not necessary to communicate. Let's respect each other by using words that don't grind the ears of some.
Thank you.
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... What Russ said, thats why we divide all the time and not stick together! We nit pick and diss eachother when we are on the same page all in all about trying to make things better as we all were mercury poisoined and felt it and so on, now we are fighthing over beliefs? Sorry but we need to stick together and get through this!
GOD BLESS OR JAH BLESS, either or it's the same thing! We both love God and want to get better, period.
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Sean, we are all trying to make things better, but not all of us is on the same page! Consider that for a moment. What is better for one person, may be worse for another! It depends on which side one is on (Dipoled stuff again, there are more than just two sides). I belive there is as many sides, or diffrent definitions of the same things, as there are people. That is why we some people need to learn to accept other people for who they are and what they stand for! (So that our "wars" may cease) I quote: People who are into the business of controling others, have a problem in controling their selves! Btw, i don't know if all the people in the religious forums on this board were mercury poisoned.... atleast if they got sick from it.. I don't know em all. They may not care if they don't feel poisoned, other things may be on theire focus, like religion, i can't say, but i may guess. My focus is on cleansing poisons out of us however, not on religion, and certanly not beein pious to other people's religions (at all)! However, to clear up possible misunderstandings, i'm NOT saying that our wellmeaning religious friends over at that section of the board, is our enemies because they may not care about the poisoning, because they may not feel poisoned and therefore may not care, i'm saying our enemies is the elite! So, we share pages with the religious people on this board too, they are also against the elite i guess, but may be in other ways... I can't judge to say in what i don't know... However, some people, or entities (whatever), are trying to destroy us with poison and whats more... For them, that is a good thing (they have an agenda, a want), for us, it's not! because our agenda and want is to be free an lead happy full lives in full health! Is this really a (di-poled war), (to divide and concure (my english, sorr)), or what... Are there sides, or pages, just two pages, or what.. I don't know, and i don't know if i care no more! What i do know is that i am against the use of poisons on other people! And atleast that i am on the same page as others that also agree on this. Is it possible to want to be evil? No, atleast it shouldn't be. Those that seem to us, to want to be evil, may see it as they want to be good and do good stuff in their own eyes, but we (the others) may see the other party's agenda as evil, because it interferes with us in a way that is bad for us. Hmm.. this sounds a bit like selfish-ism to me, "my way no matter how it impacts you".. Well... that is the way of the ruling elite! If they are on the same page, all of them i don't know, but they are sharing pages, as are we. Maybe if the elite got a taste of their own quack medicine (mercury), maybe then they would "fall" to our shared pages and want what we (have in common) want. Well.... to be productive here, what we want is to get that friggin mercury and lead and God knows what other poisons are in us,... out of us! And take back what was stolen from us!, our lives in bliss and happiness without brake pedals such as poisons! (evils, to us ofcourse). Now, let's get back to our searches for solutions for each others, as we were. Our agenda is to free ourselves from the poisons other "people" have used on us, and "we" are in that boat together, so sharing the same page... As we were! Now, TruJerz, anything new about your levels?
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I havent retested since but Im starting to think heavy metals arent my main problem. My levels are down alot since the very first time I've tested but I dont feel that much better. I know it takes time. I believe it played in part of me being ill. but Im thinking there is something else is wrong like parasites, esptein barr,(which i tested positive for), ect.
I realised I only had fillings in for probably less than 2 yrs before symptoms started showing up but even before my fillings, I never felt great. Maybe I always had something wrong with me and didnt realise it and then merucry made it worst?? idk but I think I should try a different approach..maybe a parasite cleanse. Im thinking thats what I need to address.
Thanks for asking BluSky..any suggestions would be nice
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Oh my... did you test positive for epstein? Thats not good! Some researchers are saying that almost every metal poisoned person has the epstein issue, same as others are saying about candida and metals.. I don't know if i want to belive or accept that, but i'm seeing a weak pattern from some people on this board that i know (epstein). And yes... healing is slow, i have my doubts my self now and then.. but i DO get better (slow and steady)! Maybe your ever beeing poisoned before the amalgams, was "prenatal" mercury from your mother? You know... the two highest favorite places for metals, atleast mercury, to bind, is with brain or nerve tissue, AND the planc... ohh the word... (mothers cake in my language, the womb, the placenta?!). So i'm often joking about, if i were a woman, i would abuse abortions to get well, becuase that is where much metals go, the placenta and into the unbourne child. Hehe... call that evil or selfish.... DON'T EVEN CARE TO BOTHER! spare me the comments on that one. But... back on track..... many mothers say they "mysteriously" feel better after giving birth.... I'd say that is because the baby got a load of their metal burdens! I myself was also not in a jumping around, super, top shape before my amalgams, or.. maybe i was... i'm saying i could possibly have been better, but it is impossible for me to know that, now... atleast until i detox far enough to come beyond how "great" i felt as a kid before the amalams at 8yrs old. Btw... the children vaccines may also play a part in this! (both mercury and other patogens). But.. yes.. mercury......... from amalgams, made it worse.. ofcourse.. First prenatal mercury from our mothers made us pre-standard healty by the time we were bourne... then vaccines comes into play to worsen us with their mercury...., then our "dear" dentists comes and says.. "HEEY.. here be holes", we must drill an even bigger hole to fix it, and then put mercury into your hole to fix it..., where is the logic in that... nowhere! (they lied in the first place about the holes which never existed before they fired up their drills!!!) It's a clear chain.... My teeth would never have fractured into pieces if they had been left out of reach of dentist quacks!!!!!!!!! I would have had my teeth today! Yes... TruJerz, try parasite cleanses, but be careful! Maybe you are ready for "the next step" ?! Do you feel well enough to function and enjoy life? have you been restored to a previous good state you were in before amalgams, or atleast earlier? If so.. you maaaay... be ready... or.... you may be ready just because you FEEL ready. That's my five cents.... Just be careful as always.
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So i'm often joking about, if i were a woman, i would abuse abortions to get well, becuase that is where much metals go, the placenta and into the unbourne child.
Hehe... call that evil or selfish.... DON'T EVEN CARE TO BOTHER! spare me the comments on that one. Are you serious Ole? I find this is a very sad remark. It's probabl the mercury that makes you say things like that. It makes us evil.. I think you need jesus in your life.
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FTT, as i said, no comments on that one please, i would never have done that ofcourse, but the thought has striken me of the possibility, and i have Jesus in my life thankyou, however i'm not doctrine conformed.
Please no more religious stuff... i know what i wrote is beyond words, but so are ordinary abortions if you compare... really... same thing, only for an other gain, no pleasure, but detox. desperate meassures....
But i'm no woman, and i think i would not have had the consiousness to do it even if i were.. However.. it should be possible to detox rapidly that way...
But ofcourse... at what cost..
No it's not the mercury talking (atleast not directly)... it's the thoughts of every possibility in desperation to get this poison out of me, at all costs... Desperate times calls for desperate meassures, or atleast thoughts...
I was not serious ofcourse, but as i said, it should be possible..
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i have not taken the time to read all that was posted but i wanted to mention one thing. i have a doctor that has me taking detox tub baths with baking soda and epson salt...the other day on one of my thyroid forums i spoke to a girl who was very sick with lead and mercury overload...but she was saying she discovered that she was getting lead exposure from her long relaxing baths. just a thought. she said it was from theglaze from the tub. interesting!
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Btw.. what is really the diffrence in beeing a loose threaded woman not taking enough care to avoid getting pregnant, and taking an abortion every time... and as a side effect also gets more healty without knowing the positive side effect.... ?!
Doing it totally aware makes it consious murder? No... Abortions is not murder (atleast very early ones), but... this thing is highly and grossly unethical and immorale.
But an ordinary abortion is also unethical to some, but ofcourse, this thing SOUNDS worst.
There may be no diffrence in "killing" unbourne cell paterns for a "pleassure / s.e.x" wihout protection, in comparison to doing it to clean your body and theryby have pleasure from a clean body... but ofcourse.... the guilt afterwards...
Maybe some things should be unspoken....
I don't know, i just pointed the finger on that possibility.
Forget about it... it's not even an option... just a thought that strik me after reading about where mercury binds the most, some time ago... and how some mothers "magicly" get rid of life long dis-eases after giving birth...
Forget it... forget all about it.
Take it as knowledge to be used to avoid giving birth when highly loaded with mercury, to avoid autism in a planned child...
Wait to give birth until one is detoxed enough, or else mercury may for certain go into the placenta and load up in the unboune child...
Now atleast, i have reversed this information's "evil context" to be used for good, to avoid birth defects in planned maternity.
Oh well... just forget i mentioned it, moving on...
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Lead from the bathtube.... doesn't surprise me, a huge plastic tube may be an option, but then one would the plastics inside the body from corosions by the salts and bakingsoda? Whats worse?
There are "safe" plastics around, but in that size?
Hmmm... everything seems poisonous to some degree...
The very best option would be an oldfashioned wooden tube to take our baths in!
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No... Abortions is not murder (atleast very early ones), but... this thing is highly and grossly unethical and immorale. That is what the media says. Our society over rationalises this and they claim it is not murder because the nervous system of the child has not yet developed. But this is BS. Abortion means killing developing human life = murder. They just will confuse us with scientific BS talk to make it sound OK. Unfortunately most people in our society don't have much values anymore because of toxins and a general bad state of health and thus sick brain and soul. So they are weak, detached from their soul and naive and will believe anything they are being told. That's the reason why they use mercury on us: It takes away your values, it makes you weak, selfish, gullible, dumb etc,,,
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No... Abortions is not murder (atleast very early ones), but... this thing is highly and grossly unethical and immorale. That is what the media says. Our society over rationalises this and they claim it is not murder because the nervous system of the child has not yet developed. But this is BS. Abortion means killing developing human life = murder. They just will confuse us with scientific BS talk to make it sound OK. Unfortunately most people in our society don't have much values anymore because of toxins and a general bad state of health and thus sick brain and soul. So they are weak, detached from their soul and naive and will believe anything they are being told. That's the reason why they use mercury on us: It takes away your values, it makes you weak, selfish, gullible, dumb etc,,, I agree on alot of this, the other thing I think is stupid is if you have unprotected sex what in the world do you think is going to happen? I mean thats how you reproduce right? I don't get this accident crap! It's common sense that if you have sex you very well could have a kid (Humans are idiots).
In Sanskrit, tulsi means literally "the incomparable one" and has been revered since ancient times. Tulsi, the holy basil, is said to have grown at the site of Christ’s crucifixion and is associated with St. Basil’s feast.
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i have not taken the time to read all that was posted but i wanted to mention one thing. i have a doctor that has me taking detox tub baths with baking soda and epson salt...the other day on one of my thyroid forums i spoke to a girl who was very sick with lead and mercury overload...but she was saying she discovered that she was getting lead exposure from her long relaxing baths. just a thought. she said it was from theglaze from the tub. interesting! That makes sense, I also know drinking water has metals in it as well! Some alot more than others. Some vitamins have metals in them among other things, so many ways to get exposed to them. I guess just do the best you can avoiding them, anythin you can avoid do it.
In Sanskrit, tulsi means literally "the incomparable one" and has been revered since ancient times. Tulsi, the holy basil, is said to have grown at the site of Christ’s crucifixion and is associated with St. Basil’s feast.
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Hmmmmm, (((( Smiles )))) Just want to set the record straight on this. I CARE as, my children have been poisoned as their vaccinations contained high levels of mercury plus other additives and plus they do have autism. It effects me everyday and has for years and years everyday of my life. Who says I don't care about the poisioning??? Yes they are destroying/ruining this planet and the people who live on it. It's very much a part of my belief system.. I believe it as the Holy Book I revere states it. And thats only part of why I believe we are liveing in the latter days as well. And only God can stop it. When God will do so. Yes, our enemies are or we wrestle with.. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. In regard too.. They may not care if they don't feel poisoned, other things may be on theire focus, like religion, i can't say, but i may guess. However, to clear up possible misunderstandings, i'm NOT saying that our wellmeaning religious friends over at that section of the board, is our enemies because they may not care about the poisoning, because they may not feel poisoned and therefore may not care, i'm saying our enemies is the elite! But,I do care very much! You understand me not! I hope this clears up any misconceptions you may have about me on this subject. That, I DO CARE. About this.
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Plus.... Hummmmmmm
Abnormal immune response to brain tissue antigen found in Autism and read the Autism ADD site under Is This Injected?
Not just in Autism but in who knows how many people on this planet at this time.
There was a triggering factor no doubt in my mind.
Mercury and who knows what else??
In a person thats infected already can this be passed on to family members & friends through close contact??
Is this spreading on this planet this infection as we speak??
Oh, I do care about whats going on.
I just see whats going on as part of their plan in the latter days of this system.
You see it all makes sense to me how they could do this to us.
In a fallen world ruled in darkness and who's the ruler of this system at this time???
Thats why all this is happening to us because this is the pestilance and ruination of the latter days.
Thats how I see it and thats why I do what I do.
Besides whatever I can to try to stay well.
And pray that God forgives us all and will help carry us through in theses latter days of strife.
Thats what I do....
This is a wake up call.
For sure.
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[ quote=findthetruth]So i'm often joking about, if i were a woman, i would abuse abortions to get well, becuase that is where much metals go, the placenta and into the unbourne child.
Hehe... call that evil or selfish.... DON'T EVEN CARE TO BOTHER! spare me the comments on that one.
Are you serious Ole? I find this is a very sad remark. It's probabl the mercury that makes you say things like that. It makes us evil..
I think you need jesus in your life. [/quote]
BRAVO! Thank you, findthetruth! You are right on! WE ALL NEED JESUS! Jesus said, "Apart from Me, you can do NOTHING!" (emphasis mine)
I don't know the 'Jesus' that Ole refers to. That's not my GOD! My Lord Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life! He does NOT kill babies, He makes them!!! AMEN!
"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap." RECEIVE THAT ONE, OLE!!
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I heard about one man who got lead poisoning from drinking coffee from a mug glazed with lead. There are some mugs that are intended for decorative use. Coffee is very acidic, and it can leech the lead out of a lead glazed mug. If you are a coffee drinker, make sure the mugs you use for coffee(or other acidic beverages) are lead free.
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I heard about one man who got lead poisoning from drinking coffee from a mug glazed with lead. There are some mugs that are intended for decorative use. Coffee is very acidic, and it can leech the lead out of a lead glazed mug. If you are a coffee drinker, make sure the mugs you use for coffee(or other acidic beverages) are lead free. Shoot man I will just stick to my stainless steel mug and Glass bottles alot of times, they seem to be the safest.
In Sanskrit, tulsi means literally "the incomparable one" and has been revered since ancient times. Tulsi, the holy basil, is said to have grown at the site of Christ’s crucifixion and is associated with St. Basil’s feast.
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