HI EVERYONE, I AM GETTING CONCERNED ABOUT THE SYMPTOMS I AM HAVING LATELY. I WANTED TO KNOW IF THEIR IS ANYONE OUT THEIR THAT HAS EXPERIENCED ANYTHING LIKE THE SYMPTOMS I AM ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT? I AM KIND OF SCARED THAT THEIR MAY BE SOMETHING ELSE WRONG WITH ME. I AM REALLY DIZZY, AND I HAVE BEEN HAVING ALOT OF MUSCLE SPASMS. I ALSO FEEL LIKE A ELECTRICAL PULSING FEELING IF I AM NOT MOVING SUCH AS JUST STANDING AND NOT DOING ANYTHING. I FEEL THIS FEELING IN MY LEGS AND ARMS, I AM ALSO SHAKY FEELING. ALONG WITH ALL OF THIS I FEEL WAVES OF ANXIETY. THE THING THAT SCARES ME THE MOST IS THE MUSCLE SPASMS AND THE PULSATION FEELINGS. I TAKE APPROX 4000MG OF VIT C 500MG MAGNESIUM, 400IU OF VIT E, AND I HAVE BEEN DOING A DETOX WITH A PRODUCT CALLED RENEW LIFE HEAVY METAL DETOX, IT HAS ALOT OF THE THINGS TALKED ABOUT ON THIS FORUM TO DETOX IN IT SUCH AS CHLORELLA, CELONTRO (SPELLING?) AND ALA. I ALSO TAKE ALGIN 2 TABS 3 TO 4 TIMES A DAY. I HOPE ALL THESE SYMPTOMS HAVE INCREASED IN INTENSITY DUE TO THE DETOX. IF ANYONE HAS HAD ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS AND COULD HELP OUT WITH ANY INFORMATION I WOULD GREATLY APPRICIATE IT THANKS, BILL

These are all common problems that can be associated with mercury. If I were you, I'd stop the detox supplement for 1 week and see if you feel better. Then, you can continue it if you wish, perhaps at lower doses.

RUSS, I WAS OFF OF THE DETOX FOR ALMOST A WEEK BECAUSE I RAN OUT OF ALGIN AND I STILL FELT BAD WHICH COULD OF BEEN BECAUSE I WAS OUT OF ALGIN. THE PRODUCT I AM TAKING IS A TWO PART SYSTEM. YOU START OUT TAKING ONE PILL IN THE MORNING THAT IS THE MINERAL SUPPORT AND ONE PILL AT NIGHT THAT IS THE DETOX. YOU TAKE THOSE FOR THREE DAYS THEN INCREASE TO TWO PILLS OF EACH UNTILL FINISHED. THE SYSTEM IF TAKEN AS DIRECTED IS A MONTH SUPPLY. IS THERE ANY SUGGESTIONS IF THERE IS NO CHANGE IF I STOP. THE PROBLEMS THAT I AM EXPERIENCING ARE ALMOST CONSTANT THEY ARE JUST SOME DAYS THAT ARE WORSE THAN OTHER AND SOMETIMES IT CAN IMPROVE ALL OF THE SUDDEN. THE DIZZINESS IS ALWAYS PRESENT BUT INCREASES WITH SEVERITY. I THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HELP.

Hi Bill - just a stab in the dark, but perhaps you are overdosing on vitamins? I know this is controversial, but I've read that 400iu of Vit E can cause problems as can too much of any vitamin - there's such a thing as "too much of a good thing."

As I say, this is controversial, but something I am taking into consideration when I'm designing my detox program. My advice is do the research online before taking anything from vitamins to medication.

these symptoms sound very familiar to me when I was taking the same supplement that you take. I had had really really weird symptoms coming through which did include constant waves of anxiety and the like, it was just terrible. It had a lot to do with what I was eating also. I think that at this stage the detox is trying to get the mercury and metals out of ur brain which is causing a wide array of effects on your nervous system. Thats just what it felt like to me when I was going through it. At least since you are taking algin the mercury probably won't get reabsorbed. Hang in there, it will get better.

Laura if you are reading this I was just wondering whether you've sent my algin yet? thanx

Bill, As Russ said, I"d try it with lower doses--

I really think it's the Alpha Lipoic Acid doing this- since --as Joey joey, Jr. mentioned- that does really affect your nervous system-- and it can drag mercury right back into the brain through the blood brain barrier- so I'd probably hold off on the Alpha Lipoic acid for awile,and just use the other stuff.

I got my last fillings out recently too- and wont take the ALA yet. I read that you should be practically cleaned out of the mercury in your body first- then start to use the ALA to get it out of your brain afterwards.

Bill,

I would stay off the detox supplement indefinitely and make sure you continue the algin when you get it in. Also, make sure you're drinking plenty of water each day (very important). Lack of water can create some of the symptoms you mentioned.

I have a visual model I use to explain the detox process to people.

In short, it's kind-of-like pumping waste water through a pipe. When you stop detox, it will take a little while for the "intertia" of the detox supplement to stop therefore causing detox to continue for a short while after you stop.

It's the same if you're taking algin. This is an awesome tool for preventing mercury redistribution and I believe it facilitates speedier detox. If you suddenly stop algin, the "pipe" efficiency will decrease and could start to back up with mercury and cause symptoms to return quite a bit before returning to a "normal" level. When you start the algin again, some experience a euphoric feeling because the pipe is suddenly working with super efficiency and your blood-mercury levels drop, but they will increase somewhat in a few days as the body senses the decrease in blood mercury caused by the increase in "pipe" efficiency and attempts to increase the rate of detox.

I hope this makes sense. It's just a model but it works and helps people understand the connection between their experiences and their supplements.

BILL dude, Listen to Russel, STOP TAKING THE DETOX PRODUCT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ALGIN IMMEDIATELY. I'm sorry but if you read the Cutler Protocol it is obvious why you are going through hell now. ALA can transport mercury out of the brain and into the blood stream. It also works in the opposite direction - depending on what side of the equation the highest mercurcy concentration is. Right now so close to amalgam removal, your peripheral levels of mercury are higher. The ALA in that detox product is moving that heavy metal exactly into where you dont want to have it! Stop taking it dude. The first rule of mercurcy detox is "do no harm" Patience is difficult but REALLY important in the beginning. Give it 3-4 months on Algin and then try this stuff again - Im sure you will have quite a different experience.

If it makes any difference Bill, I'm a physician (pharmakovigilncce) and the reasoning for all of this, what cutler says is in terms of the biochemistry and physiology 100% sound.

STEVE I HAVE STOPPED TAKING THE HEAVY METAL DETOX BUT THE SYMPTOMS I AM HAVING ARE SCARING THE CRAP OUT OF ME. I AM SO DIZZY AND THE PULSATION FEELINGS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH MY WHOLE BODY REALLY FREAK ME OUT. I AM ALSO VERY WEAK AND MY MUSCLES HURT. I ALSO HAVE A PRESSURE FEELING BEHIND MY NASAL PASSAGES BEHIND MY NOSE. I AM STILL TAKING THE ALGIN AND HOPING THAT THIS WILL LET UP SOON. I HAVE CONSIDERED GOING TO THE DOCTOR AGAIN BUT THEY WILL PROBABLY PUT ME BACK ON EFFEXOR. THE THING THAT SCARES ME THE MOST IS NOT KNOWING FOR SURE IF THIS IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME OR IF I HAVE SOMTHING LIKE MS OR PARKINSONS WITH ALL OF THE PULSATION FEELING AND MUSCLE SPASMS. I PRAY I DID NOT DO ANYTHING SO WRONG THAT THESE FEELINGS WILL STAY BECAUSE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO FUNCTION AVERY DAY WITH THESE SYMPTOMS.

Bill,
OK, its good that you've stopped that stuff for now. What I forgot to say last time is: the fact that you are experiencing these symptoms more strongly now when taking a product which contains ALA -so soon after amalgam removal - is a BIG indicator that your problems are caused by mercury. I'd guess mercury in your central nervous system (motor neurons etc...) Thats my opinion from what I know about mercury and the biochemistry of the supplements used to chelate it. I haven't seen your medical results or diagnostics so I'm sorry I can not give you that 1000% guarantee that you'd like.
The following my be of interest - there was a similar chap on the Cutler-Yahoo-Chelation-Forum (which I used to look at) He 'overdosed' BIG TIME on Cilantro the night his amalgams were removed (over 1 kilo of the stuff in the blender and then as a smoothie). His symptoms were worse but similar to yours - and he needed several months to get back to where he had started.

WHAT IS GOOD TO DO NOW:
-Don't touch any chelating products until at least 3 months post removal
-Ask Russ and Laura what you can take now to lessen your symptoms (perhaps you have already done this.) Listen to what they say, they no their stuff.
-Take Algin every day, at least 3 times a day so that your body has a constant means of eliminating small amounts of the peripheral mercury all the time. Really important.
-Be patient. 3-4 months and your peripheral mercury levels should be lower than the levels in your central nervous system. THATS THE PREREQUISITE FOR TAKING CHELATING AGENTS . You could probably then give chelation another go, slowly.

Steve

Bill,

Do you eat anything with NutraSweet (aspartame), sugar, or caffiene on a regular basis (more than once a week)?

I've had a lot of people tell me "no" to this question in the past who consumed something they didn't realize had NutraSweet in it. Here is a short list of products that do:

Crystal Lite
Diet soft drinks
Equal (sweetener)
Pies and baked goods with "no added sugar"

You may also want to make sure you consume nothing with aluminum. Mercury wreaks havoc with aluminum. Look at the ingredient lists of baked goods for aluminum additives. Keep your copper intake down also (no chocolate).