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#40912 - 08/29/08 10:15 AM 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face
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I wanted to share something I'm experiencing. I feel really good some days, and couldn't believe I could have energy and the want to accomplish things I just didn't feel like doing before removal. It has been a good summer for me.

Well, now I'm feeling the effects again. Since my removal had been almost 4 mos. now, I thought I would get some cilantro. I'd read so many people on here say it crosses the blood brain barrier, knowing that, I was careful. I ate down a few sprigs, and that's when I felt so weird in my head. It all started with that. I'm just getting over being sick for about 5 days straight. I've felt weak (raising my arms seems so hard), dizzy feeling, nauseated, with head aching (weird type, like behind my eyes, head is too heavy lately). I was very weak and felt like it was a struggle to breath deeply, very poisoned..
I hope it's working it's way out.
The good news is, I'm feeling somewhat better now, but I have a horrible raised, itchy rash on one side of my face. I'd read that was a detoxing symptom. It's trying to dry up now and is peeling.

Anyone have simular symptoms with a rash on the face that itches?

Thank you all!!

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#40954 - 08/29/08 09:33 PM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Bann]
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Bann, I don't know what to say....but I hope you're ok. I would not use cilantro, though... You really need to follow proper chelation protocol all the way around. Just having amalgams out does not get mercury out of your system. Some seem to feel better, but then crash. It has settled in the tissues after emitting from amalgams and has to be pulled out as a rule (chelated) which you apparently did. You need to take control of the chelation, though, and not do it randomly which just moves it around...doesn't get it out!!!! Be careful. mercury is nothing to mess with.
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#40977 - 08/30/08 02:48 PM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Jeanie]
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Jeanie,
There's so many conflicting things with the cilantro... I think you are right about it brining too much out into my system.

I wanted to know if anyone had the same experience with the red itchy rash on one side of their face as a result of too much mercury in detox mode and not being able to exit the body via kidneys/bowels...

Thanks so much Jeanie... It made me do more research on the cilantro... I will be careful.....

Bann

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#40982 - 08/30/08 03:36 PM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Bann]
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You may want to do a round of chelation (order some DMSA) to get rid of some of this and take Algin with it to help mop it up. At least that is what I would think. And do everything you can to protect yourself. Do you know much about Andy's protocol or have his book?


Edited by Jeanie (08/30/08 03:36 PM)
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#40987 - 08/30/08 05:32 PM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Jeanie]
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Hi Bann,

There is a time when the stored mercury can start to shift and you can feel repoisoned. Things a person may have gotten away with when they had amalgams, they may not get away with post amalgam removal. This I think is because the body goes from storage mode, into detox mode following amalgam removal and the symptoms are much exacerbated.

Having amalgams appears to cause ongoing immune suppression, as well as ongoing toxicity. After they are out, it's almost as though the body then begins to assert itself and then the symptoms tend to worsen and some feel quite devastated by this. I did and I regretted removing them for a long time, until I began to remove enough mercury to where I started to feel well again. It's a heroic task I think because once you remove those amalgams, you are heading into major detox territory and sometimes it's beyond your own control. The body will try and do it regardless of what you do and you can feel very very ill.

This is why it's best to find a chelation protocol that not only chelates mercury, but keeps the symptoms more tolerable and keeps the risk factors of backfire reduced, or you can make yourself sick long term from attempting to recover from random stirring up of mercury by other methods. This can and often DOES happen and I used to fool around with chlorella and many other things and use them incorrectly and often I was ill for months following (even though I had stopped taking it). I used to be fearful that I would not come back out of it. Thankfully I did, but to this day, I have no idea whether this did any permanent damage or not.

I did finally get onto Cutler's protocol and the DMSA worked very well. Though in hindsight, I could have taken less and for less often, but I didn't realise you could. He had a specific dose and time period, but now he's reduced that for those of us more sensitive and poisoned than others. I would seriously consider using this. It can also help a person if they have used some other method and stirred mercury all over the place. Sometimes doing Cutler's protocol can correct a bad backfire occurence. Either using high sulfur products, chlorella, or chelating agents the wrong way. All can cause devastating side effects and may increase risk of permanent damage and/or increased uptake of mercury into the brain.

Symptoms are usually unavoidable anyway. The more poisoned you are, the worse they will be, particularly if you are sensitive to mercury as well. So no matter HOW good and well researched the protocol is, you may find yourself getting detox symptoms no matter what. The key is reducing them and keeping things as stable as possible and Cutler's was the ONLY one that did that for me and enabled me to get rid of more mercury and start getting well quicker. Before that? I was just screwing around with anything I could find that shifted metal around and often making myself go almost psycho in the process. Surprised I wasn't booked into a psyche unit.

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#41020 - 08/31/08 08:33 AM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Bex]
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Jeanie and Bex,

Thanks for your support, and for your help! I'm going to order the DMSA and go about it with 12 mg. every 4 hours. Is it 3 days on 3 days off? Or 4 days on 4 off? You know, feeling good had me fooled. I tipped toed around getting any real chelators, thinking I wasn't going to need them, but really I have a long way to go,thank ya'll for reminding me of what I need to do to get better.


Bann

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#41022 - 08/31/08 08:52 AM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Bann]
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Hi Bann,

You're welcome. I think you are making a truly wise decision based on how long I took messing around with other methods before I realised this one was the best (for me at least and it seems many others). Did you get to read the testimonies on here re Cutler's protocol? That should give you alot of encouragement.

12 mg is a really good dose to start off with and you can always increase later as you tolerate it more. I used 50 mg to start and though I was ok for the first day or so, the symptoms increased as the round went on until I felt so sick I had to stop and break. I was doing that for a week on and a week off.

Since then I've learned a lot more. YOu can do 3 days on, 3 days off if you wish. Or 4 days on, 4 days off. There is no ONE rule, so long as you do more than 2 days on and take a break for the same (or more) amount of time you spent ON the chelator.

You can even do 4 days on, 7 days off. 3 days on, 5 days off. Whatever suits you. But a one day chelating round is not usually a wise idea, because once you get started, it's a good move to keep it going for at least 3 days non stop (every 4 hours).

You MUST stick to every 4 hours (or even more often), even throughout the night, so you'll need an alarm clock. If you miss a dose, stop the round, wait for a few days and start again. You do not want to risk a redistribution (backfire). If you are late for a dose, you "may" get away with it, depending on how late. Half an hour maybe ok. An hour? I am not sure, could be risky. Over that, probably unwise.

I really hope this protocol will be helpful to you. It was for me. I remember I tried DMSA once per day and got very very sick. It was horrible. An isolated dose like that just stirred up the mercury with no follow-up dose behind it to keep the levels even. The every 4 hour routine is ideal and makes perfect sense. It keeps the chelating agent at more stable/even levels in the blood stream, and therefore keeps the movement of mercury much the same. If you go over 4 hours, the level of chelating agent start to drop. Then if you take a late dose, it spikes it back up again unpredictably and the movement of mercury can be the same.

Side effects cannot really be avoided, and you may well experience some detox symptoms (which is not a bad thing anyway). It shows it's working, but some people feel better, so you never know which way it might go. It can stabalise symptoms, or exacerbate, but it does not usually cause anything insane/intolerable. You may feel worse as the round goes on as I did and realise it's time to stop. I usually couldn't make it past 4 days sometimes, so I would be forced to stop.

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#41023 - 08/31/08 09:28 AM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Bex]
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Bex,

You are a WONDERFUL help to me! I ordered the DMSA just now online. Thank you for telling me about missed doses, and how to go about the right way...


I appreciate you!!!

Bann


Edited by Bann (08/31/08 09:29 AM)

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#41029 - 08/31/08 04:35 PM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Bann]
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Hi Bann,

Anytime, it's a pleasure smile I also have the Cutler book and have read it many times over the years, and have made many mistakes too and learned the hard way. It's always good to be able to pass anything onto someone about to embark on the same journey and hope they maybe able to avoid the same pitfalls (though who really does it perfectly).

Also, you may find this link here a big help to you.
Informative Posts by Andy Cutler

If you have not got the book of Andrew Cutler's, even that link should answer most questions. Both on supplements, timing, dose, etc etc. I would save the page in your documents or favourites so you can refer to it whenever you want (and believe me, if you're anything like me, you probably will). The book is probably the best to get as it's packed full of information. Though it's not overly organised and some is complicated, much of it is excellent information and you get the gist of it after awhile.


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#41039 - 08/31/08 07:05 PM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Bex]
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Bex, that link is helpful for me, too. I understand he's come a ways with this stuff since I first learned about it and got his book. Thanks!
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#41040 - 08/31/08 07:06 PM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Bann]
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You're welcome Bann... Take care and keep us posted!!!
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#41045 - 08/31/08 08:52 PM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Bex]
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Originally Posted By: Bex

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The book is probably the best to get as it's packed full of information. Though it's not overly organised and some is complicated, much of it is excellent information and you get the gist of it after awhile.


I completely agree with you. Dr. Cutler's book has been a blessing to me because it is allowing me to steer away from the methods that won't work. I wish I had found it sooner, but at least I am on the right track now! The index really helps out if you are looking for a topic, but can't remember where it was.

The book is well worth the money!
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#41046 - 08/31/08 09:01 PM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Jeanie]
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Stop using the cilantro. If you want to chelate, then use ALA or DMSA or both together.

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#41067 - 09/01/08 07:51 AM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Jeanie]
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Bex, that link is helpful for me, too. I understand he's come a ways with this stuff since I first learned about it and got his book. Thanks!


You're welcome Jeanie. I thought the link was good also, because it's pretty much there in a nutshell for people who want quick references and immediate answers to some straight questions, without having to flick through a lot of information to get there.

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#43926 - 10/23/08 01:53 AM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Bex]
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I know this thread is a little old, but today I developed hives. UGH. I have a few on the left side of my face near my jaw line. I have some on my legs, back and near my elbow. Anyone have any ideas what this is about? I stopped the DMSA yesterday morning (Round 4 break) and this is the first time I've had hives in my LIFE. I'm so darn itchy!

The only thing I have introduced recently was a Zinc throat spray. I'm having a terrible time getting my Zinc (without vomiting) and I bought something at Whole Foods yesterday. I'm at a complete loss here! Any ideas? Suggestions? Thank you!
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#43982 - 10/23/08 04:04 PM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Birdlady]
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Hi birdlady, it can be allergy, but it can also be healing reactions.

I wonder if you are allergic to supplemental Zinc and vomiting maybe a sign of this. So if you don't vomit, maybe your body instead throws up hives. Again healing reactions can be the same as allergic, so it's very hard to tell.

Perhaps you could drop the Zinc and see if things settle. Then try it again and see if the same problems occur. But again, it maybe healing. Also when toxins come out onto the skin, they can cause skin reactions similar to this. When metals were coming out onto my skin, I was hot, covered in rashes and itching. This worsened when heating up/exercising/hot baths.

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#43996 - 10/23/08 10:08 PM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Bex]
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It is very strange. They are like large welts almost like what a mosquito bite looks like. It was a delayed reaction too. I woke up with an itchy face and just shrugged it off as dry skin. They calmed down after taking some Benadryl, but appear to be flaring back up again especially on my jaw line. It's so hard not to scratch because of how intense the itching is.
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#44049 - 10/24/08 06:05 PM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Birdlady]
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Well last night I ended up taking 2 benadryl because it was really starting to spread. I feel like hell today though and my face is STILL ITCHY. I'm going crazy.
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#44059 - 10/24/08 09:43 PM Re: 4 mos. from amalgam removal and red, raised, itchy rash one side of face [Re: Birdlady]
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Originally Posted By: Birdlady
Well last night I ended up taking 2 benadryl because it was really starting to spread. I feel like hell today though and my face is STILL ITCHY. I'm going crazy.


Dog gone it. I'm sorry you're dealing with this. I got hives in Alaska from the "ice smog" coupled with my poisoned state. Maybe something calming would help. It occurred to me it could be a hyper reaction from a revved up system somehow. Just reminds me of when I reacted to my down pillow once I got on synthetic thyroid hormones. I've used that reaction to make Doctors give me Armour instead : ) But maybe GABA or something would help. (Not sure why I thought of that...)
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